Tom 0:00

The literary version of Jurassic Park is essentially a 400 page panic attack about the inevitable collapse of human civilization via corporate biotechnology. Spielberg, however, looked at this grim cautionary chat tale and decided it would be a much better fit as a heartwarming family vacation where the billionaire who doomed everyone gets to live and reflect on his poor life choices.

Joe 0:42

Because I've seen this movie so many times, and I was like, Am I am I gonna watch this again? Like I I just saw this not that long ago, like a couple months ago, and I was like, I feel like I have to watch it. So that I watched it at one and a quarter speed. Oh, and it wasn't that noticeable. There was like a couple of times when um when Jeff Goldblum was talking, it was like notice. No, no, it was it was Wayne Knight when he's when he's at the end.

Tom 1:10

Yeah, when he's all nervous, he's anybody.

Joe 1:14

It was so fast you could barely understand what he was saying at one in a corner street. This is Shelf to Screen, the podcast where we discuss sci-fi and fantasy literary adaptations to the big andor small screen. I'm Joe Perry.

Jen 1:29

I'm Jan Isgrow. And I'm Tom Kokoza.

Joe 1:33

Oh wow, and today we're looking at Michael Crichton's 1990, and then this word has been thrown around a lot, and at least in the research that we've done, techno thriller, Jurassic Park and Steven Spielberg's 1993 Cinematic Revolution. We're gonna talk about that for sure. Um let's get right into it. First encounter with Jurassic Park, Tom.

Tom 1:58

Oh, geez. Um, I read the book. I was thinking about it this morning because I just think to remember the conversations that I had when I first read it. But I was like, what year was it? So I think it was seventh grade, which has been like uh the fall of 1991. So basically right around when the book came out in paperback. I got it soon after that. For whatever reason, like I guess I was just the right the right age, you know. Uh I had not read any Michael Cryant before. I really didn't even know who he was, didn't know that he had written other things, but this just seemed like such an awesome concept. I I devoured this book. All of my nerdy friends also devoured the book. This is in fact the first movie that I did what we what we do kind of on this show, what we've done on our previous show, where I was obsessed about the fact that they were making it into a film and like who would be casting it and what's gonna happen, da-da-da-da. So this is like the first movie that I really followed from book to screen.

Joe 2:52

And then you saw Did you see the movie in the theater?

Tom 2:55

I saw the movie, yeah, like opening night. Yeah.

Joe 2:58

I forgot to mention we're gonna have we have a special guest who's not with us live. Um, but we're gonna be we're gonna be throwing it to Teddy every once in a while, who's who's Tom's son. He uh this is like one of his favorite movies, right, Tom?

Tom 3:11

It really is. Jurassic the Jurassic Park franchise is is by far his favorite franchise. Uh he loves this movie, loves all the films. Uh and he when we uh were talking about this was what we were gonna do next, shelf the screen before we even knew what the name of it was, what we knew what the concept would be. He had asked from that point on, when you do Jurassic Park, can I be on the show? And and my co-hosts here were so gracious as to uh say yes. And we we interviewed him uh earlier because frankly it's past his bedtime now. And uh just love that.

Joe 3:47

It's true. Why couldn't he be there live? It's past his bedtime.

Tom 3:51

Uh but yeah, he'll be he'll be uh peppering us with some really I hope insightful comments.

Joe 3:57

Yeah, some hot takes in there too, for sure. And some behind the scenes, or or not even behind the scenes, I would say some maybe some technical uh mishaps that he he was able to uh determine from watching a YouTube video. Um not sure who though. Uh Jen, your first encounter with the dinosaurs.

Jen 4:18

Um I saw this movie in the theater. I do not remember with who. I wish I did, but I definitely know I saw it in the theater back in '93. And I never read the book until this week. But I'm really happy I did. I actually really enjoyed the book.

Joe 4:34

Tom and I were very excited to hear your thoughts after reading the book since you just read it. So we're gonna be digging into that, Jen, a lot.

Jen 4:42

It's like getting another Yeah, I don't know. I I don't want yeah, we'll dig into it. But it's like getting another like a different universe Jurassic Park, basically. Hearing hearing, seeing these characters kind of doing what if it what if this stuff happened instead?

Joe 4:57

Yes.

Jen 4:57

Interest interesting.

Joe 4:58

Oh yeah, yeah. And I'm gonna j before I go, I'm gonna jump to Teddy to get to get his first experience with Jurassic Park.

Teddy 5:05

I actually don't remember. I think I was aware of it for a while, but I never had any interest in it.

Tom 5:13

Okay.

Teddy 5:14

But then, like, one time we were driving in the car. I clearly remember this. And it came to me and I asked what's Jurassic Park about?

Tom 5:25

Uh-huh.

Teddy 5:26

And I just got a lot of answers and it sounds really cool. So I watched the movie, it was great. I and now I've watched every single one except except Dominion, because I thought it was boring and I actually fell asleep in the middle of it.

Tom 5:40

No, it was very late. Uh, to be fair, and it's not that great of a. So just for because we're we're only audio here, there's no video for this interview. Can you tell everyone what shirt you're wearing right now?

Teddy 5:50

Uh a shirt with a dinosaur on it in the back.

Tom 5:54

I believe it is a Jurassic Park Alasaurus. Yeah, pajama shirt.

Joe 6:00

Thank you, Teddy, for that.

Tom 6:02

He he is like he is like Mr. Dinosaur Facts now, and he can name dinosaurs like I literally I had never heard of before. He just rattles it up.

Jen 6:10

Which one is Dominion?

Tom 6:11

That's the last one.

Jen 6:14

Jonathan Belly.

Tom 6:14

No, no, no, the one before Scarlett Johansson. It's the last one with uh Pratt and that's Jurassic World Rebirth with Scarlet Johansson. Oh, rebirth. Dominion's one with Pratt and the oldest.

Jen 6:24

The third one, yeah. I never saw that. Okay.

Joe 6:26

Um, Tom.

Jen 6:27

Oh, the old cast, that's right.

Joe 6:29

So I was watching this movie, and then you know, I I listened to this, and I was thinking of like how Teddy is just Tim because he's because I remember him talking with him about dinosaurs for like a half hour. Um I think it was at New Year's or something, whatever it was. Yeah. I mean, I was like, oh my god, watching this movie. I was like, Teddy's Tim.

Tom 6:50

I'll let him know that he'll be very excited.

Joe 6:52

Yeah. Um, so I think my I think the movie was my first encounter with this. I, you know, I don't have a distinct memory of seeing this in the theater, but I feel like I must have. But I potentially might have missed out seeing this in the theater and first saw it when it came out on like HBO or whatever. Um, or maybe even out on like D were DVDs out in '93. Was that a no? No, on VHS then maybe. Maybe I rented it from Blockbuster. I don't remember specifically. Um but I know I read the book some years later because everyone told me the book's really good and it's better than the movie, and I was like, okay, I'll read it. And I loved it. Um, I still love the movie, but the book is one of my favorites now. It's just so fun. Yeah, it's a very fun book. So let's let's talk a little bit about the book and the journey uh of Michael Crichton's to write this. So, Tom, you you mentioned you never heard of Michael Crichton until then, and he he'd been writing since the 60s.

Tom 7:53

Um he wrote a lot of stuff under not under his own name, but and I think after I had read this, I went on like a Michael Crichton kick over the next number of years, and through like the 90s, I think I read like everything that he put out, but I realized after the fact that I had known about like the Andromeda strain and Westworld, and like I had known some of the things that he had done, uh just like through general you know pop culture knowledge. But this is the first time I was aware of him as a writer was this book.

Joe 8:23

He went through like a really great stretch of books to movies. Um, he's had well, he's had so many of his books turned into movies, but um yeah, so this the concept uh it actually began in 1983 as a screenplay. Uh Michael Crichton's initial narrative focused on a graduate student who successfully clones a pterosaur from a fossilized uh DNA. However, Crichton found the draft unsatisfying, noting that the logic of it was wrong because the act of cloning a single creature felt like a minor scientific curiosity rather than a global event. Uh, so it wasn't big enough for him. Spielberg, I'm sure, would agree. Uh, he spent several years refining the premise, eventually realizing that the commercialization of such technology, specifically within the context of an amusement park, provided the necessary scale and stakes for the story. Good decision there. This is an interesting stuff. This this story kind of like really morphs and morphs and morphs drastically from like its conception as a screenplay into a book, into a screenplay into a movie. So Creighton's interest in genetic engineering was fueled by the rapid growth of biotechnology firms in the 1980s. Um you can kind of tell that when you read the book because like the first, I don't know, quarter of the book. Well, not quarter, but there's a like the first 10, like 10% of the book is him talking about the uh the evolution of these biomedical engineering companies.

Tom 9:52

Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of there's a lot of I've gained this knowledge and so will you at the front end of this story.

Joe 9:59

Yeah, yeah.

Tom 10:00

Um but I think it it it helps set up like the the you know uh we said it in the in the in the cold open to the episode, right? Like there is a there is a chilliness and a very cold business-oriented decision making behind everything that happens in the book. And the movie's like, Well, let's make him nice, you know.

Jen 10:20

There's there's also a lot that happens in the book before we get to Jurassic Park.

Joe 10:26

Oh yeah.

Jen 10:27

Meanwhile, like in the movie, they were like, I want a dinosaur, like as soon as like 15 minutes into the movie, you're seeing the first like the big dinosaurs.

Tom 10:36

Yeah, the first scene of the movie is on is on the island of the city.

Jen 10:38

Well, I mean, yeah, but like the big like reveal scene is 15 minutes in, done.

Joe 10:43

Yeah.

Jen 10:44

Like, you know, on the book, they're like, there's a lot of other stuff going on.

Joe 10:47

Yeah. Uh so Crichton became preoccupied with the transition of biological research from pure science to for-profit venture, which he believed bypassed traditional academic oversight for safety protocols, as voiced by the character of Ian Malcolm in the books, and a little bit in the movies. Um, this fascination with biotechnology as a commercial force became the thematic backbone of the novel, manifesting in the character of John Hammond and the hubris of In-Gen Corporation. I'll just just like a I guess a preview of my thoughts on this. This is another adaptation where the tone is different. The tone of the book is not the tone of the movie, right? They changed the tone of it. And that that seems to be, I feel like that's been happening more frequently than not in the adaptations that we've done. Um I don't necessarily think it in a bad way, but uh yeah. This is an interesting this is one of the most fascinating things about this book is that before it was even released, it was like famously in an intense bidding war to make this into a movie before it was released. It wasn't like, hey, this book just came out, it's really popular. No, they heard Crichton was writing this book, and I think he had he had like a uh a 20-page treatment, and and I think they got to see the unpublished map manuscript, and there were five major studios trying to make this movie or bid on this movie. Um, and it's great because there was a director attached to each one, which is very, very interesting. And I definitely want to talk a little bit about each of these different directors making this movie because first off, you've got Warner Brothers and Tim Burton. Now, what would this movie have been with Tim Burton directing this? I don't know if it was Has he ever done like a straight normal-ish. I I don't want to say this is normal, but like Batman is even that's a little he still has his quirky fingers in it.

Jen 12:49

Yeah, with the jokers through and he'd bring a lot of the fog in from the book that doesn't exist in the movie, where everything was like misky and foggy.

Tom 12:58

If he would have made this live action, stop motion dinosaurs.

Joe 13:01

I don't know if Crichton would have sold it to them if they wouldn't make it live action, though, you think, right?

Tom 13:06

I don't know. I don't know, yeah.

Joe 13:07

I I mean I mean think about the music. Danny Elfman would have been probably the composer on it. Danny Elfman would have been the composite.

Tom 13:14

Like, I mean, he is coming off of Batman and Batman Returns, right? At that point, like that's what he's coming out of.

Joe 13:19

So he's he's would we've gotten that more darkness of the novel, you think, in the book in the movie?

Tom 13:26

Oh, yeah, it would have been a horror. It would have been a horror film, it wouldn't have been a sci-fi horror film, it would have been a horror movie.

Joe 13:32

Yeah. Um, next we have Columbia Pictures with Richard Donner, which I think could have been pretty good.

Tom 13:41

Yeah.

Joe 13:42

Um I think I would have I would have wanted to see that one, and I thought I think that one out of all Bell Gibson is as Alan Grant. I think that might have been the next closest to what we got, probably. Uh, we have Joe Dante with 20th Century Fox. Uh I guess this was yeah, right? We're talking like gremlins and okay.

Jen 14:04

Um so maybe Joe Dante would have he would have definitely would have done those little dinosaurs, the compies.

Joe 14:14

They just want to look like gremlins. That's what they're probably yeah.

Tom 14:17

I mean, he it would have been like he his his lame was like that horror comedy bit. So I think again, probably the science would be a MacGuffin, right? And it would really be about the experience. It would probably be a lot more nighttime stuff.

Joe 14:32

I kind of feel like the the science is a MacGuffin in this movie a bit.

Tom 14:36

Oh, it is, but it's not I don't think they're scary, clearly there's scary scenes in this film. This is not a horror movie.

Joe 14:45

This is not no, there's some there's some intense uh there are.

Tom 14:48

No, I there they're a hundred percent they are, but like this was like the intent of this is not like to horrify you.

Joe 14:55

Yeah, yeah. Um yes, and then we had James Cameron who was pursuing this independently, which would have been Well that would it might have even been bigger.

Tom 15:04

It would have been bigger. It would have been he would it would have been like hey, this movie's gonna be close to three hours long. Oh my god. And he would have leaned harder into the science of it, and it would definitely be it would definitely be more horrible. And like it would be hard on the corporate evilness, and like that would have been cool. That would have been cool, man.

Joe 15:24

You're right, that would have been pretty cool. It might have been a bit more, it probably would have had the same tone as this book. Uh definitely, like you said.

Jen 15:32

We wouldn't have gotten Titanic, probably.

Joe 15:35

That's true. But Titanic was 97. That was way later.

Jen 15:38

Yeah, but maybe he decided since he didn't get this movie, he would start working on another idea that he has, which is Titanic.

Joe 15:45

Well, what was he? Was he working on Titanic for a really long time, though? It would have been no true lies, right?

Jen 15:52

When did he do true lies?

Joe 15:53

92? 94. Oh no, no, no, no, no. That was true lies, it was before Titanic. Um I feel like 94 sounds right to me. Uh Aliens was 86, 89 was the Abyss. Terminator 2 was 91. Terminator Yeah, 94. True Lies was 94. Yeah. Yeah. So he went to do that afterwards.

Jen 16:14

Okay.

Joe 16:14

So he was fresh off of he was fresh off of Judgment Day. Terminator 2.

Tom 16:19

Awesome.

Joe 16:19

Yeah. Yeah. There would have been True Lies. Maybe he wouldn't have done that.

Tom 16:23

Do you think he would have put Arnold in this film somehow?

Jen 16:26

Oh my god.

Dinosaur 16:27

Oh wow.

Tom 16:27

Arnold who would Arnold be in this film? Jennero. Yeah.

Jen 16:32

But a fully different Gennaro. Yeah. No, Muldoon. Muldoon.

Tom 16:37

It would be Muldoon for sure. Still called Muldoon.

Joe 16:43

Muldoon? He would have like wrestled one of the one of the Raptors. Right.

Jen 16:49

I mean, Muldoon kind of wrestled. He gets pinned.

Joe 16:53

Yeah. I mean, a bunch of people get pinned by Raptor.

Jen 16:56

That would have been like another Arnold quote that we would say for old time. Oh, yeah.

Joe 17:01

He would have said it like that. You know, I've seen I've heard that line recently in two other movies, and I think both of them came out before Jurassic Park.

Jen 17:11

Clever girl?

Joe 17:12

Yes. I can't remember for the life of me, I can't remember what they were. But one of them definitely. Yes. Silence of the Lambs, Tom. I was just watching this. Yes. Anthony Hopkins calls Clarice a clever girl.

Jen 17:25

Muldoon got it from There's another one, though, too. Silence of the Lambs. Like he had that, I don't know. He was quoting another movie when he said that. I want my last words to be a movie quote.

Tom 17:37

That's uh yeah. It likely will be.

Joe 17:40

Well, your last words on this podcast are a movie quote, always.

Jen 17:43

They always are.

Tom 17:44

Yeah.

Joe 17:44

Well, sometimes they're a book quote, I guess, right?

Tom 17:46

So that's uh that's that's my wife's uh hero, is Muldoon. Oh, yes, yes, yes.

Joe 17:52

Uh we gotta talk about Muldoon. All right, we'll give it we'll get into Muldoon. Hold on a sec, hold on a sec. I forgot the the fifth, the fifth and final uh director studio was Universal Pictures and Steven Spielberg.

Tom 18:02

Of course, yes.

Joe 18:02

Okay, and that's who they decided to go with. Uh they bought the rights for two million dollars and an additional 500,000 for Crichton to uh adapt his own screenplay.

Tom 18:14

Not bad. Yeah, and he did a worthy investment. Yeah, yeah.

Joe 18:19

I mean, and he did this with David Kepp, who we've talked about uh previously on some other oh god, what was the other movie we talked about with David Kepp? Was it it wasn't Total Recall, was it?

Tom 18:29

No, it was um War of the Worlds.

Joe 18:31

Oh, yes, well, of course, it was Steven Spielberg. It had to be a Steven Spielberg movie. Um, so then uh upon his publication in 1990, the novel was an immediate commercial and critical success. Reviewers categorized it as a quote-unquote techno thriller, praising Crichton's ability to blend complex scientific concepts such as chaos theory and paleontology with a traditional monster narrative. Uh, it remained on the bestseller list for weeks, serving as a cautionary tale about intersection of greed and science, which the book leads heavily leans heavily into. And the movie I wouldn't say they talk about greed too much in this.

Tom 19:13

I I would say it's it's not heavy, but things go wrong because Nedri wants more modding. Yeah, and yeah, and like if if he wasn't motivated by greed, or if conversely, if Hammond wasn't cheap in paying him, you never really get a sense of what his actual salary is, um, then everything would be fine. So this weekend, you know, like whatever.

Joe 19:37

Yeah, yeah. We'll we'll talk about that. We're gonna definitely gonna get into Hammond and the big difference and change in him. Uh, so a little bit more about the uh writing process. Uh, it involves several complete overhauls. The most significant shift occurred after Crichton shared an early draft with several of his trusted test readers. This version was written entirely from the perspective of a child who was trapped in the park during the dinosaur breakout. The feedback was overwhelmingly negative. Uh, his peers reported that they hated the book and found the child's perspective irritating and ill-suited for the techno technical density of the plot, which I that makes a lot of sense because you're gonna I guess you'd be jumping from like all of the techno background um and then to like a kid's perspective, and it probably was quite um jarring, maybe for them. So that would have definitely oh I feel like Steven Spielberg might have leaned into this this version of it, though.

Tom 20:34

If that's yeah, it would have been even more up as alley, but yeah.

Joe 20:37

Um, so Crichton attempted to rewrite the story from an adult perspective, but the first attempt failed. It was only after he shifted the narrative voice to a multi-perspective ensemble, focusing on the scientific expertise of characters like Alan Grant and the philosophical warnings of Ian Malcolm that the story clicked. And just another anecdote uh involves Crichton's insistence on scientific accuracy. As if you don't know people listening, that Michael Crichton is a medical doctor. ER was probably shortly after this. Um I think I was in high school when yeah started. Uh during the writing process, he closely followed the work of paleontologist Robert Backer, whose theories on warm-blooded active dinosaurs directly informed the behavior of the velociraptors and the T-Rex uh in the book. Uh, this commitment to cutting-edge paleontology was a deliberate attempt to move away from the slow lumbering lizards trope common in the 20th century media. Which I feel like later on they took that same um that same idea with zombies and went from the slow prodding zombies to the fast moving, super scary, uh active uh zombies. Similar, similar idea there.

Tom 21:52

True. Probably less science behind it, but similar idea.

Joe 21:56

Yeah. Uh so let's see. We talked about This already being a uh sold to Hollywood before the book was even published. Spielberg was attached to direct, but he faced uh a professional ultimatum from Universal President Sid Scheinberg. So Spielberg had wanted to do Schindler's List first, right? That that actually came out right after this. However, Scheinberg uh was wary of the Holocaust drama's commercial perspectives, insisted that Spielberg direct the dinosaur movie first as a condition for greenlighting um Schindler's List. So obviously, Spielberg had to agree to that. And you know, famously, uh Spielberg had to shoot this movie in late 1992, then in the beginning of 1993, he was over in Poland shooting Schindler's List and actually reviewing like VFX shots or or CGI shots via satellite link while in Poland filming Schindler's List for Jurassic Park.

Tom 22:52

Um that's absolutely nuts to me. Yes. Uh like what a tonal shift. And and uh up until probably like like the Fable Mans that came out a few years ago, Schindler is probably the most personal film that he's ever made. So uh one thing I think that's interesting because this is you know I consider one of Spielberg's masterpieces of many. It's the movie he was least involved in post-production. Like most of the editing of the actual film he just left to the editor. He wasn't because he was making another movie.

Joe 23:22

Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, but what a run, huh?

Tom 23:25

Yeah, yeah. It's a nice one-two combo.

Joe 23:28

So uh casting, right? They wanted uh an everyman qual quality rather than action star archetype. So Harrison Ford was the first choice because he's not an action archetype. I guess that.

Tom 23:40

No, yeah, definitely everyman when I think of Harrison Ford.

Joe 23:43

Um but he turned it down. Harrison Ford turned the role down. He's he thought he wasn't the right fit for this.

Jen 23:50

I also don't think he's the right fit for it.

Joe 23:52

Yeah, yeah, I don't know. He's too handsome.

Tom 23:55

The the movie would be unbalanced if there was a huge star in it.

Joe 24:01

Well, I feel like the interpl I'm just trying to picture Harrison Ford and Jeff Goldblum interacting and like vying for the uh most awesome person belt on screen.

Tom 24:14

Yeah, like Jeff Goldblum would have been wouldn't have been able to shine because like Harrison Ford just commands screen presence. You know, he just got like it's a different, it's just I'm glad they went a different way with that. Me and my friends, we were try we were we fancasted this movie like crazy, trying to figure out who they're gonna get because we knew they were making a movie and who were they're gonna get, and we had a multiple, multiple uh picks for everybody, but we could not find someone who could be Ian Malcolm because Ian Malcolm in our minds had to be tremendously intelligent, very funny, and like able to also like like be cool and like but also be a mathematician, and we couldn't figure it out, and like what we had settled on was like maybe Steve Martin could do it, which I still think might not be terrible.

Joe 24:59

I don't know if I would buy Steve Martin as a really intelligent mathematician, though.

Tom 25:03

He's like he's very, very intelligent, but more in the arts side. But but like Jeff Goldblum, never considered by any of us, and just the perfect casting. Yeah.

Joe 25:13

Oh yeah. Well, he was he was it. That was Jeff Goldblum was who was who Spielberg wanted wanted. You want to hear something really interesting, though. Uh, you know who auditioned for this, for the for that role? Um if you if you read the research, you'd know. So I'm hoping.

Tom 25:29

Yeah, but but like it's it's it's more fun for me to just guess somebody. I'm gonna I'm gonna say David David David Duchovny.

Joe 25:37

No, Jim Carrey. Jim Carrey auditioned for the role of Ian Malcolm, and they actually thought that he was really good. Yeah, I'm sure he is. But I think I think the but they you know the um the Jeff Goldblum really embodied that like quirky intellectual type of character that Ian Malcolm is, so that's why they went with him. It was just I I think it was more of like, hey, just looking at Jeff Goldblum, you believe he's a chaos theory mathematician.

Tom 26:07

Yeah, yeah. A rock star mathematician.

Joe 26:10

Yeah, he's which is a change from the book. He's not really a rock star in the book.

Tom 26:14

He's I do remember thinking, like, oh man, you know, like they have a bit in the book, and he and he doesn't I don't think he says it in the movie, but he definitely dresses in the movie, like he only wears black, different shades of black, and like everyone's like, oh, it looks cool. And he's like, it just I don't have to worry about matching, you know?

Joe 26:30

Yeah, he doesn't want to waste time thinking about what clothes he I think he says in the book, like gray and black.

Tom 26:36

Yeah, everything's like even if I grab the wrong pair of socks in the morning and stuff, and like that like that's the kind of like it's cool and it's nerdy at the same time kind of a vibe.

Joe 26:48

And yeah, I think go he's not yeah, he's not he's definitely not trying to be cool, which I think you know, uh uh real really the truly cool people are not trying to be cool, but right it's all logic behind his decision is because like yes, he doesn't have to waste time thinking about what he's gonna wear, what why is he his basic thought is like, why am I wasting time deciding, making these decisions that don't really matter to me? Um, and he I think he even says something in the book, like he thinks fashion is like dumb, it's like a waste of time.

Jen 27:19

Um he says a lot in the book.

Joe 27:21

He does say a lot. Yes. He says a lot, he asks a lot of questions too in the book. Yeah.

Tom 27:27

He is a hundred percent uh like the author's mouthpiece, yeah. Um, which is fine, you know, because he does it with uh, you know, uh he does it with charisma, I guess. Uh for for for for the nerds back in IS27, he is the hero. He is the hero that we thought we might be one day, more than anybody else from reading the book.

Joe 27:47

Uh also um, so go going back to uh Dr. Grant, William Hurt was also offered this part, declined it. Um I don't know if he would I don't know if I would have liked him in this.

Tom 28:00

I wouldn't have either. I I find I find William Hurt a more more appealing uh bad guy in movies than good than like a hero. Like I think he's more he looks so like generically handsomely nice. Like I like him to play against type, and this would have been like playing his vibe, you know?

Joe 28:18

Uh but eventually Sam Neal was cast just weeks before filming began. Um good casting, relatively, you know, not a big actor, I would say fairly like unknown in the sense of like never really had a big leading role. You know, he'd done a lot of movies and TV and stuff, but he was always like, you know, background guy or third, third, fourth guy or something like that. And you know what? They said, could can you do an American accent? He said, Sure can. And that was that.

Jen 28:53

There's only one line in the movie where I feel like I can't think of what the line is.

Joe 28:58

Where the Australia comes out.

Jen 29:00

Yeah.

Tom 29:00

I have to tell you this right now. There's not a single second in my entire life from when I first saw this movie till you just said that. Really? Where I thought Dr. Grant was supposed to be American.

Jen 29:13

Oh, what? What do you think he's supposed to be?

Tom 29:15

He's clearly not from America.

Jen 29:17

Well, I don't think that. Why do you say that?

Tom 29:19

He does not that that he's clearly just like he doesn't, it's not his natural speaking voice, which is like very, you know, but he's clearly from the book, the movie. No, Sam Neil is clearly not American. I never know that he was not American.

Joe 29:35

I've heard no indication. But I've heard him talk without his accent. With without like I've heard him talk in the face. Yeah. Yeah.

Tom 29:44

Yeah. No, you're right. It's not, he's he's he's not talking in his natural voice, right? It's not his natural accent. But like, I don't know. He just it it's not important for him to be American. It's not necessary for him to be American.

Joe 29:56

I I never thought he was an American. I don't know. I maybe I just I don't know. Maybe you just know you're just like so attached to Sam Neil, Australian.

Tom 30:06

Maybe. I I don't know if I knew he was necessarily Australian. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Although I would have guessed he was Australian, like, because that's what he sounds like he's from.

Jen 30:13

Oh, I know. Well, this isn't Australian, but he what he says.

Joe 30:16

No, he was born, he was born in Northern Ireland. Oh no, and then a New Zealand he had a New Zealand father. And then went okay, and then he they moved to New Zealand. So he's born in Ireland, but then lived in New Zealand. Yeah. Sorry.

Jen 30:27

When he's counting when he's counting to three when Timmy's on the fence, but he's like, I can't think of how he says three, but it's like wrong. It's just he doesn't say three. He's like, one, two. It almost says like free or something. It's like so it's so strange. He says it like two times like that. And I always think that sounds off to me. Too free.

Joe 30:49

I I think the only glaring uh mispronunciation is I I don't remember I have to check, I didn't check who it was, but who does the uh the guy who does the voice of the uh DNA DNA? Mr. DNA, where he says he calls them dinosaurs. Oh yeah.

Jen 31:06

But he has an accent, a baby dinosaur.

Tom 31:09

He's just doing that like that's he sounds like like Gene Autry or something like that. Yeah.

Joe 31:14

Dinosaur. Uh anyway. Um all right, so we we we get Laura Dern as um Ellie Sattler. Uh uh Spielberg wanted her after seeing her performance in Rebeling Rose. We talked about Jeff Goldblum already, and then Richard Attenborough, who had not acted in 14 years, was coaxed out of retirement to play John Hammond, a character uh Spielberg reenvisioned as a flawed Walt Disney rather than the dark corporate antagonist of the novel. I want to get oh man, I want to talk about some of the shit John Hammond says in the novel that I wish would have come, I would have loved to have heard come out of Richard Attenborough's mouth. Sweet, sweet Richard Attenborough. Right. Uh they filmed this movie in Hawaii. They began filming uh on August uh 24th in 1992. On September 11th, the production was struck by Hurricane Aniki, which was the most powerful hurricane to hit Hawaii in recorded history. Richard Attenborough reportedly slept through the entire storm, later telling Spielberg that after surviving the London Blitz, a hurricane was nothing.

Tom 32:23

Badass.

Joe 32:26

Uh I would say probably some of the most significant technical or production things about this movie, right? Was the was the visual effects, right?

Tom 32:34

Yeah, of course.

Joe 32:34

He Spielberg intended to use go motion technology uh by Phil Tippett, who I think we talked about in was a total recall, I think he did. Yeah. Uh for long shots. Yeah, we talked about him in total recall. Uh for long shots of the dinosaurs. However, uh Dennis Murin and the team at ILM, Industrial Light and Magic, secretly developed the digital T-Rex test. Um, when Spielberg saw the photorealistic CGI movement, he abandoned the Go motion entirely. Upon seeing the footage, Tippett famously remarked, I think I'm extinct. A line Spielberg later worked into the script. Um, but despite the digital, you know, that digital breakthrough, the film relied heavily on Stan Winston's practical effects, including the 12,000-pound hydraulic T-Rex that would malfunction when it got wet because it was foam and the foam sucked up the water. So during those, you know, the famous scene with the T-Rex attack and the cars in the rain, they had to keep drying it off in between takes with hairdryers and towels.

Tom 33:35

Unbelievable.

Joe 33:36

You think when they created that thing and they did they not know it was going to be in a scene of rain? And then they died. Did they not plan on that? It's raining in the book. That's so I thought they purposely did it in the rain. Plus, also that would help cover up some of the the mechanics, right? Right. The animatronics and some CGI that they put in. The obviously the rain would help cover that up.

Tom 33:59

Yeah, I I imagine it's the kind of thing where it's like, hey, look, if you want this thing to actually be able to be light enough to move, it's gotta be full. And then we'll figure it out as we go.

Joe 34:08

Yeah, that makes sense. They could have put a little yeah, maybe they couldn't have put like a little waterproofing. What's that stuff you put on like uh you put on camping tents, there's like a spray stuff on it that waterproofs it.

Tom 34:19

Yeah, got some uh wood sealants on there. Come on, help us out. Um such a great move, and I think something that the sequels most of the sequels use less and less of uh and really to their detriment. Like the the mixture of CGI and and practical like live animatronic models is what makes this one feel real. Like there's there's uh a weight, no pun intended, we were just talking about trying to make it live, but like there's a weight behind like the live T-Rex, you know, the triceratops that uh Grant puts his hand, you know, like leans on while he's breathing in and out. Yes, that's you need that stuff, and then you can, you know, and the Brontosaurus, the Brachiosaurus, whatever. There's no Brontosaurus anymore. The Brachiosaurus, like they had that B CGI, and that's great.

Joe 35:09

Yes, I think, yeah, you're right, because you get that interact physical interaction that is clearly real. It makes you then believe that the other dinosaurs that aren't necessarily physically there are real. Also, I mean, there's some there's some shots where you can kind of tell it's green screeny, or even though it's I I don't, I guess they were using green screens back then, but it's a little green screeny. And I don't know, I have like a I I think I had a Blu-ray version, so it was up, it was like remastered. So sometimes when they like remaster stuff, they you kind of see the the seams, yeah. Yeah, exactly. You'll see the seams in the in the uh CGI a bit more. So all right, you want to get into this into this movie? Yeah, and we'll talk about uh we can intersperse the book there as well. Um oh, we forgot to ask Teddy if he read the book. Teddy, have you read the book?

Teddy 35:57

No.

Tom 35:58

Okay, so that's fine.

Teddy 35:59

In fact, not my dinosaur has also told me that I cannot.

Tom 36:05

Oh, I see. You do have a dinosaur with you.

Joe 36:09

He'll read this book, he'll read this book soon enough, though.

Tom 36:12

Yeah, yeah. It's a little, I mean, he's he's eight, so yeah. I know. Yeah.

Joe 36:17

Well, you were 10 when you read this, right? You read it when it came out.

Tom 36:19

No, I was I read it uh I was 11 when I read it.

Joe 36:22

Okay. Okay, so he's got a couple of years left uh before he can read this. All right, let's get into this movie, right? We start off right away on the island with raptors.

Jen 36:35

Can we talk about how you guys didn't warn me about all the children being attacked in the beginning of the book, though?

Joe 36:40

Oh, I was supposed to warn you about that?

Jen 36:42

Like uh the girl, which I assumed was gonna die, and then she didn't die. Oh, yeah. So I was like, all right, we're fun. And then the immediately newborn baby dies. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh my god, no.

Joe 36:57

Well, the guy, the worker dies too. So they so you have to care about the work. You have a worker dying in the movie.

Jen 37:03

Yeah.

Joe 37:04

Like the well, he had a more of a chance, I guess, in the book because they bring him to the doctor and the doctor's, you know, whatever. Yeah. Uh this one he just gets eaten. He just gets eaten right away. I think they're throwing into the immediate danger of the raptors. Right. Um, right up front, where I feel like in the book, you kind of you're you're like, well, I don't know what a Velociraptor is. Um I hear I hear some dangerous stuff about them, but you don't really get into how dangerous they are until like as this book's progressing.

Tom 37:29

Yeah. They they they they yeah, they make it a Chekhov's gun. Like that's the thing that you have to worry about. Uh every time every time I watch the movie now, I think of there was a not great film called Canadian Bacon. Oh yes. Uh John Candy. With John Candy, yeah. And it's like about a bunch of like upstate New York uh like hicks who think that we're at war with Canada or get into a war or start a war with Canada or whatever the case may be. But there's a scene where John Candy and two of the uh other guys, they're like on a boat, and one of the guys is black, and he's talking about how the black guy always dies in every movie, blah blah blah. And he talks about and they're talking about movies, like they're trying to name movies that where it doesn't happen. Someone names Jurassic Park, and he goes, That was a twofer because of the worker here in the beginning. Oh, oh yeah, and it's like a yeah, they had to think about it, and I that's what I think about every time. It's like, oh, he's the toofer here. Oh yeah.

Joe 38:27

The other one being, of course.

Jen 38:29

He's Hispanic.

Joe 38:30

Yeah, it's hard. It's dark out, it's hard to tell. I wouldn't have thought I didn't think he was it is dark.

Jen 38:35

I don't think he's African-American.

Tom 38:36

Is that African American?

Jen 38:38

No, he's not. Okay, all right, fine.

Joe 38:40

Yeah. Um, right away, we're getting this poor guy getting eaten by the Velociraptor. As you said, Jen, the book opens very differently. We get a first we get that whole like discuss like back history of biotechnology companies. We get an interesting backstory on them.

Jen 38:58

Um, then we go to Jen the part that you're talking about with the girl and her family on the beach where she gets well first they br um it's like the nurse or the doctor on like an island and they bring the worker there to see if she can help him. And she's like, it looks like he got bit. And they're like, No, I don't know. It's a machine.

Tom 39:16

Yeah, yeah.

Jen 39:16

Yeah, he got mauled, and then um then the little girl on vacation with her annoying parents.

Joe 39:23

Yes.

Jen 39:23

And who gets uh bit by something.

Joe 39:26

And then there's a lot of like, then they find a specimen and there's faxing and sending of specimens to laboratories.

Jen 39:32

Yeah. All different companies are getting the he's not he doesn't work for a couple of months, so this one doctor isn't gonna be able to look at it.

Joe 39:41

I I love how she draws the picture, and then when they send it to somebody, and that like that doctor's not there, but then some woman walks in and says, Oh, who drew the picture of the dinosaur? And the guy's like, Wait, what? What?

Tom 39:54

Like, I can't tell it's a dinosaur.

Joe 39:55

Yeah, yeah. But like my kid draws those all the time.

Dinosaur 39:59

Yeah.

Tom 40:00

So like I one thing I like about this is that like all of this stuff, while it is kind of like what's going on, get to the action, get to the action, get to the action, all the debating that they're having throughout the whole stay on the island where have where Malcolm's trying to tell them, like, you're trying to keep order on chaos, and like they don't realize the dinosaurs are already out in the world.

Joe 40:20

Yes, well, that's one of the things.

Tom 40:21

None of these people went to Jurassic, like these kids just got killed by while I like this movie a lot.

Joe 40:27

I think there's two things that they should have that they missed on him. One of them is that in the book, you know right off the bat that the dinosaurs have already gotten off the island. Like, that's that's a foregone conclusion that obviously the characters don't know. Um, but Ian Malcolm's like, it's a four- No, it's they're getting they've already got he's like convinced because of his whole chaos theory, and he writes, you know, he writes a whole paper or whatever for uh Hammond. So he's like, no, they're they're gonna get off if they're not already off anyway.

Jen 40:56

Uh but do you think they're like getting on they're going on the boats the same way, and that's how they're getting off?

Joe 41:01

I don't think yes. They just saw them.

Jen 41:02

Not raptors, but other things. They just saw them this time. Yeah, yeah, right.

Joe 41:07

Yeah. Uh yes, they just saw them this time. Like the the they've probably been getting off frequently on the boat.

Jen 41:15

I just the amount of time that's spent on like what time is it? We have to get back before the boat reaches the mail. And I'm like, this is the least of your right now, like you're gonna die. Your immediate worry is like to get yourself to safety. Don't worry about what time it is. Forget about those people. Like, worry about yourself right now. I know what the I know, but it's just like, okay, I have six hours.

Joe 41:37

Okay, we have three hours, we have two and a half, like is it like three juvenile raptors, which all right, it probably will kill a bunch, a few people, but they'll eventually know they were on there.

Jen 41:48

Nobody I thought the whole boat would be murdered before they even got to the other side.

Joe 41:52

Well, they're smart. They knew they were they were they were they were hiding, they were trying to migrate, as we learned in the end. Um yeah, so that was one of the things that like after reading this book, I was like, Oh, I love how you know already at the beginning of the book that the dinosaurs have gotten off the island and none of the characters know that. And it's there's just like constant, it's constantly uh just like weighing in the background there. They're they're trying to prevent the dinosaurs from getting off the island, but it's already happened. So I feel like that might have been an interesting thing to put in the in the movie because that also automatically leaves the opening for a sequel. So I'm I was a little surprised that they I I guess it's just they just didn't have enough time to spend on that.

Tom 42:34

Also, like again, when you're making the tone of the movie, the tone of the movie is not corporations are bad. No, corporations shouldn't mess with there's definitely like you shouldn't do this stuff without understanding what you're doing. Like that's I mean it's it's there, but like you can't have dinosaurs have already escaped and none of these people know about it and then still have these people appear competent to uh uh a movie goer audience, you know what I mean? Well, who competent Hammond or not though Muldoo, but no, the movie is not a good thing. None of them are competent. Right. The movie versions of these people that they want them to be competent. You want to you want to believe that, like, okay, if things go right, they can get a handle on this.

Joe 43:17

Yeah.

Jen 43:18

Why do you think they're not competent in the book?

Joe 43:21

Well, because they don't think of everything, right? And and I I know Hammond starts trying to blame everybody else. He's like, Oh, if it if Ned Hear Junior, like he never blames, and like we'll we'll we can get into Hammond and how fucking piece of shit he is in the book.

Tom 43:35

He's he's Dick Allen from RoboCop in the book.

Joe 43:38

He's like uh no, it's Dick Jones, I think, right? Oh, Dick Jones, Dick Jones, yeah. Sorry, yeah, Dick Jones. Never forget that name. Um who's basically the same character in Total Recall. Uh what's he's uh what's this facing? But anyway, do yeah. Oh, so you asked how they're not competent. Um, well, I think they're it's not that they're not competent. Well, Woo. The they just kind of all suffer from the we thought of everything when but they didn't. Like they just think they're so confident that they were like, no, no, we we could do this. We could do this.

Tom 44:11

Yeah, I think Arnold's the only person on the island who's like what you're asking is really impossible. And I'm trying as best I can. Yeah. But like everybody else is very confident that they there's there's no their planet is foolproof. So they don't think about well, what if it's not.

Joe 44:28

Yeah, like Wu Wu, I'd say Dr. Wu and and Hammond most of all, I think. Um you're right. Arnold's like a little bit like understands like the the craziness and the difficulty, but he's very confident, like, in that we've thought of everything, like we have this, we have this, we have this. Right.

Tom 44:44

He's he's worried about their fail safes failing, not like, is there something that we didn't think of? He's like, Yeah, this is perfect. If it goes wrong, it could be a real headache. Not yeah, yeah. No one's heeding the guy who's like, trust me, it went wrong already. Yeah.

Joe 45:00

Like we get the scene, uh, the next scene, I think, right, is uh Gennaro going to talk to this is like a whole new thing, right?

Jen 45:09

He's going to talk to uh to the diggers in the cave.

Joe 45:13

Yes.

Jen 45:14

But that's not taking place on the island. That's like another separate island.

Tom 45:17

That's where they're getting the material.

Jen 45:19

Okay.

Joe 45:19

Yeah, I think it says um what it where they are. I can't remember. Somewhere else in South America.

Jen 45:24

He's like, oh, Hammond's not here. He was expecting Hammond to be there.

Dinosaur 45:28

Sorry.

Jen 45:28

Which I thought was weird. That's why I wasn't sure where it was.

Tom 45:31

Yeah. No, because Hammond's usually the guy who wants to get because they found a f a fossil.

Jen 45:36

Oh, sorry.

Tom 45:36

So he thinks Hammond's coming to get the fossil. Okay, okay.

Joe 45:40

So we're introduced to Gennaro, the uh quote unquote bloodsucking lawyer.

Tom 45:46

Thanks. Uh different character in the book. Even with Hammond's complete, you know, I want to say maybe one 70 degree change from book to movie, Gennaro is by far the most different character book to movie.

Joe 46:03

Yes.

Tom 46:04

And I mean effectively is a character who's not in the movie. Uh the the He's the two.

Jen 46:10

He's like a combination. Right.

Tom 46:11

He's a combination of the He does more really stuff in the beginning, but like Gennaro is the one of the heroes of the film, like of the book, rather.

Joe 46:19

I mean, at the end, he's kind of he kind of changes at the end where he doesn't want to, he doesn't want to do what Grant's just like, come on, you pussy, you're gonna do this.

Jen 46:28

Go in the raptor hole. Yeah, me neither. I don't want to go.

Joe 46:31

But even before that, he didn't want to go find the nest. He was just like, he was just like, oh, they're just gonna come and napalm the island anyway.

Jen 46:38

I mean, they did firebomb it.

Joe 46:40

But Grant's like, no, we have to go find out how many uh we have to count the stuff and see if anything else got off the island.

Jen 46:47

That's like the part of the book I I didn't like that part. I thought that was like too much. Yeah, slide into the into the raptor nest and they're hiding behind the boxes, and the raptors are right there and they don't find them. I don't know. I thought that was like a little too much, that whole part. But other than that, I like the book.

Joe 47:03

But yeah, it does seem a little bit it seems a little bit unnecessary. He probably could have ended it a little bit sooner. I I yeah, I agree. I like the I like the beach though when they go out on the beach and they're all lined up though, and he's like, they want to migrate. Right. He figures that part out. So then we get we meet Dr. Grant and Dr. Sattler. Um, they're in Montreal.

Tom 47:25

Oh, in the movie, yeah. I'm sorry. She's not Dr. Sattler in the book. Yeah, she's a grad student, right?

Joe 47:30

Oh, oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah.

Tom 47:32

She's like 19 or 20. She's not even a grad student. She's just a college student, yeah.

Joe 47:36

No, I think she is a grad student, isn't she? I think she is a grad student. She might be a grad student, yeah. She's like it's like 23 or 24.

Tom 47:42

And there's no relationship.

Joe 47:44

He's like, Well, I want to talk about that a bit.

Jen 47:46

I was gonna say, have you guys ever heard when people are saying that they didn't know that they were together or they don't think they're together in the movie? Those people couldn't be more clear.

Tom 47:55

That is that is that Brendan doesn't understand relationship heat.

Jen 47:59

It's literally said, right, but uh I mean, I guess if you want to play like devil's advocate, you could say that he's saying that because he doesn't want Malcolm to hit on her.

Tom 48:08

They're talking about having kids.

Jen 48:09

But they talk about having kids. She's the first scene, she's like fixing his shirt and rubbing his back. They they live in the same trailer, it looks like, and when they when she sees him at the end, she jumps up on him and basically straddles him and hugs him. So like they don't kiss.

Tom 48:26

They don't kiss.

Jen 48:26

They don't kiss.

Joe 48:27

They don't ever kiss.

Jen 48:28

Couldn't be more clear.

Joe 48:29

There's there's one fascinating. Yes, there's one weird thing, though, in that in here that I caught this time. When they're at the dig site, there's a moment where just the two of them are walking, just the two of them. There's nobody else there, and she calls him Dr. Grant. Yeah.

Tom 48:44

Which I thought was weird. She's she's being she's being cute because he's I think that's when he's talking about how um he's talking about like how the like about the kid. I think right. I think it's in that conversation where he he starts to go off for the rant about how babies smell.

Joe 49:01

It's it's before the kid.

Tom 49:03

It's before that. It's before it.

Joe 49:04

Yes. It's definitely before the kid. It was, I think, I don't remember. Oh, I think it's right after they do the uh like the guy does the the imaging or whatever. Yeah.

Jen 49:14

Um and then oh yeah, yeah, yeah. She's being she's definitely being cute. I think she's just being cute.

Joe 49:21

I don't know. Okay, maybe I just missed it.

Tom 49:23

They're together.

Joe 49:24

They're no no, I'm not saying they're not together.

Jen 49:26

He says we were saving that, like the bottle of champagne in our fridge where we live in this trailer together. Like when he comes in and takes a champagne out of the fridge. I mean, come on.

Joe 49:36

Yeah.

Jen 49:37

They're they're together. I'm not saying they're not together. I never in my head realized that they're like 20 years apart in age.

Tom 49:44

They're not supposed to be that far apart.

Joe 49:47

She's in her 20s, right, Laura Dunning. She's like 23 or something.

Tom 49:51

They're very far apart in real life age, but I think he's supposed to be like 35 and she's supposed to be like 27, which is not terrible. Yeah. I think in closer, she was like 23 and he was like 40, but you know.

Joe 50:05

Um which is I think probably closer to the books, right? He's a books their nerds. They're nerds.

Tom 50:11

She's engaged to somebody else. Yes. Yeah. Like there's no there's nothing there at all. Yeah.

Joe 50:17

I and I wonder why, because there's no it's clear that they're together, but it's there's there's no like outward Yeah, there's no romance like connection. Yeah, there's no romance, there's no kissing, there's no there's no intimacy. There's no yes, there's no intimacy at all. I could believe that these that the two of them are not together.

Jen 50:35

I mean, the whole the whole movie takes place of like 12 hours. No, no, it's two days. And when they get there to when they leave, it's like what they get there, it's the night happens, he sleeps with the kids, they wake up, and it's like later that afternoon when they leave the island.

Tom 50:50

Yeah, it's two days basically. And they're not together for a lot of it, but yeah.

Jen 50:54

I think they're just not a very PDA couple.

Joe 50:58

Yeah, they're they're archaeologists and a paleobotanist. So whatever. They're archaeologists.

Jen 51:03

It wouldn't be appropriate for them to be making out all over the place on the alignest while they're landing. I also thought it was funny is that in the book, like they're going, they're staying there for like 48 hours. They're going for the weekend. So they have like luggage and they go to their hotel room and everything. And in the in the movie, they have nothing. They just show up in the clothes they have, she has like a backpack, and that's it. And they just like go straight to the tour. They're just there's no like indication that they have like luggage or anything.

Joe 51:30

I just not necessary.

Jen 51:32

I know.

Joe 51:33

But uh Yeah, they do go to write their rooms and yeah, there's a bunch of other stuff.

Jen 51:38

Yeah, hotel and everything. Yeah.

Joe 51:40

Um Yeah, there's only like one building, I think, in this movie.

Jen 51:45

There's like the visitor center.

Tom 51:49

Yeah.

Jen 51:49

And then the bunker, wherever that is, set underneath the visitor center. It's somewhere and the control room is. I don't know where the control room is.

Joe 51:56

Control room, I think, is in the visitor center from the from this. And then yes, there's the uh the the the maintenance uh bunker or whatever where the bunker where everybody's hiding out, where where Malcolm is for most of the movie.

Jen 52:08

And then the maintenance.

Joe 52:11

Which I think is just in that building. I think it's just below the visitor center.

Jen 52:15

Yeah. That's not in the in the book.

Joe 52:18

No, there's a Malcolm's hotel room for the whole thing.

Tom 52:22

Yeah, the visitor center is also the like is also the control center for the park. Yeah. So it's got the real science room, it's got the real control room. It's all there. Yeah. Yeah. They cut down the the the locations, I guess.

Jen 52:37

Yeah, it's not necessary.

Tom 52:38

I mean You got a raptor paddock. That's all you need.

Jen 52:42

This is a perfect movie. Let's just call it an attention. There's nothing there's nothing I would change in this whole movie.

Tom 52:49

There's literally one thing I would I would not even change. There's one thing that I would add, and it doesn't impact me in the slightest.

Joe 52:58

What's that?

Tom 52:59

Okay. So the dinosaur T-Rex comes out of the T-Rex paddock. Oh, I know what it is. Right? And he walked out of the fence, and then like five feet to the left, they drop down a giant cliff. Yes. And so we just want them to show that there's like a big hill and that he's up here and they went down this way. Just give me that geography, and then like I understand it.

Jen 53:24

I thought about that today. I was like, ah, this is bad. I'm like, it must be a really steep hill right there. And they just like ended up at the bottom of it. Just yeah. Because he it's that's where the goat is, it's right. It's like level of where it's like.

Tom 53:35

We're here. Yeah. He walks up. We're here for the people on camera. Like, that's where he comes out, and then they go right here and fall down the tree. Drop down, yeah. Like twitch. So just show me the hill. That's all. That's all. That's literally the only note.

Jen 53:51

I know.

Tom 53:52

And I do not give a shit, really. But yeah.

Joe 53:56

I like that. Um, so the film also, right? We get this. Uh okay, so we're we're on the island, right? We go to the island. Uh Hammond, you know, convinces them, basically says, I'll fund your your dig for the next three years if and if you come, and they're like, Yes, which is basically what happens in the book, too. Um Although it happens over the phone, I think. Not at the end of the year.

Tom 54:17

Of course, in the book, in the book, he's like, ha ha ha, I'll never have to spend that money because you'll be out of a job. Because he's evil.

Joe 54:25

Little did he know that he's dead. He's dead.

Tom 54:28

He's dead.

Jen 54:30

He dies in the greatest way possible. But like a pretend Tyrannosaurus Rex noise not makes him fall down a hill.

Tom 54:38

Yes.

Jen 54:39

But he hates his grandchildren. He hates his grandchildren as the worst. Like just cursing their existence as he dies. Okay.

Joe 54:50

Let's talk about evil John Hammond uh in the book. I if you're not convinced at the part where he talks about how the biotechnology, he's like, what am I gonna do? Use this to help people and like tick people? He's like, that's dope. That's such a waste. I'm gonna use it to entertain people and make a shit ton of money. Yep. He plat out says that in the book. What a waste. Why would I help people?

Tom 55:21

He's so evil.

Dinosaur 55:23

Oh my god.

Tom 55:25

But yes, if you if that didn't get you, if you were like, well, there's some good points there. Yes. When it talks about how he hates his grandkids.

Joe 55:34

Yes, those those two parts.

Jen 55:36

Like, why did you bring them there?

Tom 55:37

He brought them there specifically to try and influence these people to say yes. Yeah. Because the kids would be so filled with wonder. Yes. That like that's it.

Jen 55:46

I feel like that's the reason that he invited them in the movie, too, except that he also loves them.

Tom 55:52

Well, I also cares about that they're gonna be dead.

Joe 55:55

Like I mean his daughter's getting divorced. His daughter's getting divorced.

Tom 56:00

But they don't know.

Joe 56:01

Well that's that's in the book.

Tom 56:02

In the book, they're divorced. Yeah, I know. But like that's that's a throwaway line.

Joe 56:07

Mom's got a boyfriend, somebody he uh somebody that she works with. Like that's in the book.

Tom 56:12

So it's but like, yeah, in the movie he does, but he also like he believes the wonder. Like it's not like it's not a callous ploy, it's a I need to share the wonder.

Jen 56:28

Yes.

Joe 56:28

Yeah, in the it yes, in the movie he's he's more of a you know, he's trying to do good, but he's misguided. Yes, he's he's just jumping the gun a little bit.

Tom 56:39

Like yeah, he feels like uh he has the whole speech with the flea circus or whatever. Like he's made his money conning people and he wants to give them something real, like yes, he wants to do yes, exactly.

Joe 56:51

Right. In the book, he just wants to make a shit ton of money. Um, and that's the reason why he's doing this.

Tom 56:57

We can have coupon day. The lawyer gets that one.

Joe 57:00

Yeah. And I forgot this too. Like the film invents the concept of the raptor attack, right? With the one raptor's gonna stare at you and draw your attention while the two raptors come to the book. Well, that's in the book. That's not specifically described.

Tom 57:15

It's very specific in the movie.

Jen 57:17

When they when they're like by the cage. Yeah, when they're by the cage.

Joe 57:22

Well, he says they distract, they're smart and they they'll like distract you. They like they they can come up with plans and distract you.

Jen 57:29

Grant says that at the beginning, he exp he describes how the raptors attack when he's talking to the kid.

Joe 57:34

In the movie.

Jen 57:36

Yeah, in the movie.

Joe 57:37

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Jen 57:38

You're saying Muldoon describes the pack hunting in the book.

Joe 57:41

Oh, oh, he also d Oh, that's right. I'm sorry, it's Grant. Yes, you're right, Jen. I'm sorry. It's it's uh Grant who describes it.

Jen 57:47

Yeah. But Muldoon in the movie should have known, should have should have been tricked by that.

Tom 57:53

Well, that's why he says it, and he was tricked because he's in the moment. He's not thinking clearly.

Jen 57:58

I know. And that's why he says he knew that they that's how they hunted, so he should have been prepared for that.

Joe 58:04

Yeah, when and in theory, and I think more so in the book, it's the reverse, right? Like Muldoon knows more about their habits and how they how they uh interact with each other and their their He should their brains, not Grant, who somehow would be able to tell how they attacked based off of fossils. I don't even know if that's possible, to be honest with you. But yes, that's set out right in the beginning. Like, hey, this is how they attack. Okay, we're gonna get that later on in the movie. We just gotta do you remember that? Did anybody remember it? And then all of a sudden, when it happens, it's like, oh, that's right. He said that in the beginning.

Dinosaur 58:38

That's it.

Jen 58:39

Grant knows everything.

Joe 58:40

Grant does know everything. I I think the biggest obvious change with his character is that he doesn't like kids in the movie. Meanwhile, in the book, he loves kids. Right.

Jen 58:51

Um He doesn't like kids and he gets stuck with two of them. Oh man. That's a speel of the thing. But he's also so nice to the kids. Yes. You never he doesn't. It's I don't think it's that he doesn't well, he does says he doesn't like them. I think he just feels uncomfortable around them. Yeah. And that, but then he never gets he never loses his temper with them or is like mean to them in any way.

Tom 59:13

Because he's the best.

Jen 59:14

He's the super, most super nice. And I I just love at the end when they're cuddling him and she's just like looking at him and seeing she lays it on thick in this movie, Lex, with him like grabbing his hand when he shouldn't argue. Yeah.

Joe 59:28

It's almost like you feel like I I know she says something like uh Yeah, there she is. Oh. Yeah, there she is.

Jen 59:35

Hello.

Tom 59:35

Um That's a signed photo.

Jen 59:37

But I feel like that's that could be even though it's never mentioned in this movie, that like their father's a total jerk and she doesn't have like a nice father figure in her life, like at home. But meanwhile, she's like latching onto Grant like immediately. And she's after the Tyrannosaurus Rex attacks her, she's just petrified to do anything.

Joe 59:58

Right. Well, she's I would say this is a good change because her character her character in the book is so annoying.

Tom 1:00:02

Well, she's so little, she's just like she's constantly like yelling and blowing their spine.

Joe 1:00:09

Like screaming and like yelling and being loud when everyone's trying to be quiet and asking the dumbest questions.

Jen 1:00:14

There's one part where she's playing catch with like I guess Regis. Yeah and she's like, right here, right in the mid, babe. And I'm like, has Michael Crichton never met an eight-year-old girl? Like, that's not that's not how they act.

Joe 1:00:28

That's how they talked in the 80s, Jen.

Jen 1:00:30

Yeah, to a grown man that she doesn't know.

Joe 1:00:32

Yeah. Tom, were you upset? I want to know, were you upset that they took away the Mets hat for just a generic baseball cap in the movie?

Tom 1:00:40

Um no.

Joe 1:00:43

Uh she's probably a big fan of the 86 Mets, right?

Tom 1:00:46

I know, I know.

Joe 1:00:47

She's probably a big strawberry Dwight Gooden fan.

Tom 1:00:51

Ron Darling fan. Girl, the girls like Ron Darling.

Jen 1:00:54

She mentions something about the glove. Was it Daryl Strawberry glove or something?

Joe 1:00:57

Oh yeah, she has a Daryl Strawberry glove. Yeah, she does. Yeah.

Tom 1:01:00

That's these kids are these kids are clearly not from New York. Yeah.

Joe 1:01:04

Oh yes, yes, they're supposed to be from New York. And they they swap, they swap the ages, right? In the book, the Tim's the older one, um, and he's the one who's good with computers, not Lex. And she's kind of useless in the in the movie in the book. So they they kind of Spielberg was like, let's let's give her some of these qualities, make her the the one we'll go with computers, so that way we can have her do things and not just be an annoying little kid. Yeah. Uh, which was a good choice. Yeah.

Tom 1:01:32

She's she's great. Both of the kids are great, but she's really good in this film.

Joe 1:01:36

Yeah, yeah. They're yeah, they're both really good in this. I I was I just like watching it again, thinking of just looking out. I was like, wow, these kids really did a good job in this.

Tom 1:01:45

I I and I I'm gonna say, I don't know if anyone in any film ever has looked as scared as she does when she's holding the jello and she sees the shadow.

Joe 1:01:57

And like, it's like it's wordless, it's just this, and you're like There's the other scream she has during the T-Rex attack where I think Grant has to put his hand cover through mouth.

Tom 1:02:09

She's just like that's what I had tilted.

Jen 1:02:15

My favorite shot the whole movie is when the T-Rex comes through the uh what the hell is it called? The window in the top of the car, the sunroof. Oh, yeah. And they're like, oh my god. Shadows, yeah.

Joe 1:02:30

It's so good. There's we're getting to that because I have like there's a bunch of iconic things, and there's so many quotable lines in this movie, obviously. We already said they're all about three or four times. Yeah. Uh yeah, so so Grant is different in that sense where they this is definitely a Spielberg thing, like, oh, let's make what somebody has to be awkward with children, and there has to be some sort of tension with children and adults in there or uncomfortability. Um and I guess that's I guess if you're pulling out the other themes of the book, like the you know, the more um, you know, Malcolm's criticism of Hammond and Wu and what they're trying to do. Um and they're really stripping a lot of that out of the so uh out of the the movie. So Spielberg's gotta fill it with something. And he's like, Yeah, let's rip that shit out and let's put like you know, uh awkward grown-up with children and make it a more family.

Tom 1:03:26

I mean, this he did he made this into a more family-friendly uh Yeah, I mean, definitely it's an all it's an all-ages uh four quadrant type picture. I mean, I will say, okay, I do think between the boardroom scene and the scene in the lab, you walk away from this movie knowing like scientists should not act with hubris. It's not necessarily business is bad, but it's like you have to think about trying to play God because it's not gonna work out.

Joe 1:03:54

I mean, yeah, we get a couple of Malcolm lines in there where he's and even uh Ellie with him at the uh at the table.

Tom 1:04:04

Yeah, when she's like it still is the flea circus, right? You don't understand. That's what you don't understand. But like I remember from the the trailer, again, like I feel I feel so old because that was a very long time ago. But I remember in the trailer, it's a big line in the trailer, it's in the boardroom scene as well. Uh that the scene where they're talking uh and and he says, like, oh, we have coupon day, where you know Grant says dinosaurs and men, two creatures separated by 65 million million years of evolution, and you simply put them back together. Like they're all highlighting what a thoughtless idea this is.

Joe 1:04:34

Yeah, they're they're basically saying, You you think you've thought of everything, but how can you think of everything when uh like you said, uh these two uh uh species have never existed together ever.

Tom 1:04:45

Right. Right. Ellie says the thing too, like in that scene about like you've got plants here because they look nice, they're like they'll attack people, like they're they're they'll defend themselves violently. And like that's more prominent in the book, too. Like, there's literally carnivorous plants that are that are in the park, you know?

Joe 1:05:02

Yeah, or poisonous plants. Yeah, Malcolm, I mean, towards the end when Malcolm's in the book, when he's under this his morphine uh uh fugue state, he's he talks about like you know, oxygen levels were different during that, and all like everything, atmosphere was different, the the heat, the temper, like all of this is like different environment that you didn't take into account or think what effect it would have on the dinosaurs. And and there's also a lot in the book about like things going on with the dinosaurs, like getting sick. I mean, we get the tri we get the triceratops getting sick in this. So that never really exists. That never goes anywhere. That never goes anywhere else.

Tom 1:05:42

Tease the explanation in the books and then say that's not what it is. A very odd choice, right? In the book, in the book, it's like, oh, he's eating the berries that are poisonous and there's no way.

Joe 1:06:00

When they're picking up the gizzard stones, they're getting the berries in there like accidentally, which is making them sick.

Tom 1:06:05

But she goes through the poop looking for the berries and doesn't find them in the movie. Yes.

Jen 1:06:11

I wonder if there was another scene that they cut. They were just like, who cares?

Joe 1:06:16

Yeah, that it was definitely a weird thing because there was never any payoff for that scene.

Tom 1:06:21

No, it's literally just to separate everything. Yeah.

Joe 1:06:24

Yeah. It's funny. I always thought when I first saw the movie, I thought, because he said it would happen every six weeks, that it was some sort of like dinosaur menstrual cycle, and like that was going to be like, oh, they are breeding. Like she's the you know, yeah. Something weird like that.

Tom 1:06:39

But that was great through the tongues. Um it does but that scene, besides like to separate Ellie, does have another one of the best quotes in the movie, and that's one big pile of shit.

Joe 1:06:52

Yes, that's one big pile of shit.

Jen 1:06:54

And it has Dr. Harding, who is a huge part of the book and exists only in like that one scene.

Tom 1:07:02

I could drive her back in the Jeep.

Jen 1:07:03

Yeah.

Tom 1:07:04

Goodbye.

Jen 1:07:05

It's like, oh, she said Dr. Harding. Yeah. I never heard that guy's name before.

Joe 1:07:08

Goodbye, Dr. Harding. So we skipped, we skipped over uh maybe the best casting in the movie, uh Wayne Knight as Dennis Nedry. Yeah. Oh my god. I pictured Nedry a little younger than Wayne Knight, but it doesn't matter. Definitely perfect. I mean, that whole the whole scene in the beginning. Um Dodson, we got Dodson here. Nobody cares. Nobody cares.

Tom 1:07:34

He takes the shaving cream and puts it on the pie.

Joe 1:07:36

Yeah. Well, I loved it. I loved how the prop department made the shaving cream container. They made it like perfect, I think, to the way it's described in the books. Maybe even better.

Tom 1:07:46

I actually have that in the house somewhere down somewhere in this room, but you have that prop? Yeah, I have the prop. I don't know if you were so we did years ago, we did New Year's, uh we New Year's Eve we always used to do movie marathons. We did Jurassic Park uh marathon here back when Jurassic World, I think, was the first was the last one. And so we had that for the for for the for the Oh I I think I did see it then.

Joe 1:08:10

Yeah. I'm a little disappointed that you didn't break it out for this podcast.

Tom 1:08:13

Michelle asked if I wanted to get it, but I'm like, we don't really don't do props on the show.

Joe 1:08:17

We're not seeing it.

Jen 1:08:18

I was gonna show you guys a picture that I can't find. I was looking for it before of I forgot that me and Dan dressed up. I was a dinosaur and he was John Hammond. I gotta find the picture. I'll put it in Discord if I can find it, but I can't find it right now.

Joe 1:08:33

Oh, that's amazing. I don't remember that. I don't know if I ever saw it.

Jen 1:08:36

No, it was like a Mardi Gras, like a rock right thing.

Joe 1:08:40

Um yeah, so Dennis Nedry loving it. Um uh Dwayne Knights killing it. Yeah. Like going back and looking watching this movie again, I forgot how much or how long that scene with him like out in the uh in the rain with the Dilaposaurus. That's like a long sequence. I didn't I forgot about that being that long. I first I always thought it was like very quick.

Tom 1:09:03

He he's probably the real like probably the worst person in the movie, right? Um feel bad for him. You feel so bad for when he loses his glasses and you're like, oh my, this guy's so fucked.

Joe 1:09:17

Well, I mean, it's worse than the book. He gets yeah, it is too. He feels his belly get cut open and he feels the dinosaur starting to eat his ink.

Jen 1:09:25

It's like, oh, I I can't wait till I'll be dead soon. It's gonna be over soon or something. Oh my god.

Joe 1:09:30

Yeah. Uh this is yeah. This is I've also forgot rereading this book how like horror-y it is, and this is where I feel like the James Cameron stuff might have come in with like you might have seen like some some bellies getting sliced open a bit.

Jen 1:09:43

More than one person who's being eaten alive in this movie. In the book, I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, this is just awful. Yeah.

Tom 1:09:52

Yeah. But I mean, that's what would happen. I guess.

Joe 1:09:55

Yeah. Now, did any of you think uh when you watched this scene with him and the shaving cream that like he wouldn't be able to bring that on the plane nowadays?

Jen 1:10:07

I do think that he dramatically drops it. It goes under a pile of mud and it doesn't matter at all in the hundred percent supposed to be like this is the sequel. But it's just embryo- are they fertilized embryos? Like oh yeah, the embryos fertilized. But they're already fertilized.

Joe 1:10:24

Yeah, embryos are fertilized, right? Do do they say this in the movie that they're only the coolant is only good for like a couple of hours 48 hours or something like that.

Tom 1:10:34

Yeah, I mean it could also be. I think it's even less.

Joe 1:10:36

I think it's only like 12 hours in the uh or something like that in the book.

Jen 1:10:40

So it's also in the book not supposed to leave, right? He's just supposed to like drive down, drop off the can and then go back.

Joe 1:10:48

Yes.

Jen 1:10:48

So nobody would know that. Right, that's all. Right. But in the book in the movie, he's just like he's going, he's going on that barrier.

Joe 1:10:55

Yeah. Yeah. He's just gonna cut and run.

Jen 1:10:58

Yeah, like I don't think I don't think he meant to do this in the book. I feel like he shut everything down so he could steal the embryos, but then he was gonna come back and turn it back on. I don't think in the movie he was just like, these people are absolutely screwed, and I don't give a shit. I'm leaving, I'm turning off the security systems, and they're not coming back on.

Joe 1:11:17

In the book, he does it's not all his fault that this starts happening, right? Like he does a few things shut down, but I feel like it's not as dramatic. I mean the T-Rex, yeah, I guess the what's it called goes off. Yeah, I guess the what's the fence is like.

Jen 1:11:30

I think he meant to come back and and fix it. Turn it back on.

Joe 1:11:34

He's like Spett says that the dry run only took about six minutes. Yeah. Like he's supposed to be back in like six minutes.

Jen 1:11:42

Well, the island is only eight miles in the book, too. It's very it's not very big at all.

Tom 1:11:47

It's not big, yeah. It's not it's not like even with the rain, if he didn't crash into the side, he probably would have made it.

Jen 1:11:54

Yeah, but he wouldn't have come back.

Joe 1:11:55

He he's also getting screwed over in the book by Hammond with the m like money-wise.

Jen 1:11:59

Like, well, he is in in this too, in the movie. He says that's he says, Don't be cheap, Dodgson. That's what that was Hammond's mistake.

Joe 1:12:05

Well, yeah, but then so there's a scene later on. Here's another thing that doesn't pay off, right? Later on when he's complaining to Hammond, Hammond says, I don't he's like, I don't expect you uh something about mistakes. He's like, I don't I I don't expect you to have something about mistakes, but I do expect you to pay for them. So like implying that there's like something that happened with Nedri, and he's kind of stuck there because he made a mistake or did something he shouldn't have done.

Tom 1:12:32

The way I read it was like almost Nedri expected to get a bonus or get some kind of financial reward for doing a job that he didn't do, and so Hammond didn't pay him, and now he's like, fuck you, Hammond. I want my money. In the movie. Like that's how I always read that line. It's like Hammond's like, don't talk to me about money anymore. We already had this conversation. Like, I don't expect people you made a mistake, you didn't get this. You didn't get the money, and that's what it is.

Jen 1:12:59

Yeah, because in the book it says something like he thought that this he had to do this extra work and he thought he would get compensated for it, but they were like, No, that's included in your original contract, you know what we already paid you for. That's so that's what he was pissed off about.

Joe 1:13:12

Yeah, he's pissed that he has to go back and do more work and he's not getting paid for the extra work. So it's it's it is clearly like similar, yeah. No, but I feel like more in in the book it's clearly Hammond being a cheapskate and forcing him to fix this stuff. Whereas in the movie it's more like Nedri fucked up and Hammond's just holding him to that and saying, like, you fucked up, you need to fix this.

Tom 1:13:31

Right. I paid you for this work to be right. Yep, not for this work to be done, however you get it. Yeah.

Jen 1:13:37

He goes so far as to create uh an image of him going himself going, uh-uh-uh. Yes.

Tom 1:13:44

Yeah, he's like full score stories. Yeah.

Jen 1:13:48

Please. God damn it.

Tom 1:13:50

I hate this hack of shit.

Joe 1:13:52

Do we want to talk about the perfect character, my favorite character in this in this movie, Samuel Jackson?

Jen 1:14:00

He previously should have said, please, motherfucking dinosaurs.

Joe 1:14:04

Yeah, motherfucking dinosaurs in this motherfucking park.

Tom 1:14:14

I remember years ago, like when the when the first like the second trilogy was coming out, or before it was coming out, when they announced that they were gonna do some more movies, he was like, hey man, I think I think I think the adventures of one armed Arnold on the on the island somehow surviving. Yeah. He's like, Oh, you never see my body.

Joe 1:14:32

So I so alright, so yeah, Samuel L. Jackson's amazing. I have so many things I want to talk about with Samuel L. Jackson. Um I didn't know I didn't notice it until this time watching it. When they go, when they first get into like the lab area at the park, you hear a voice over the intercom like talking like the fairies leaving at whatever, whatever time. That's his voice.

Jen 1:14:53

Yeah, yeah, because he says it later.

Joe 1:14:55

I know, but I never realized that that was his voice talking over the intercom because I never really paid attention to it that much. And then you're right, later on he does call it out. You see him call out the fairies leaving again, and I'm like, oh shit. Great continuity.

Tom 1:15:08

The sh the the the the amount he smokes cigarettes in this film, also something that would never happen nowadays.

Jen 1:15:14

But like completely in line with the book guy.

Joe 1:15:17

Oh, yeah, yeah. Definitely the character in the book. I want to know how much practice he had to talk with the cigarette like at the very tip of his lips like and not fall out.

Tom 1:15:28

I know.

Joe 1:15:28

And he's like, he's like, one of my favorite parts is when he's like, when he's telling he's reading what he's typing onto the computer, like access main systems, access main computer thing. And he's got the cigarette just bouncing on the tip of his lip.

Tom 1:15:39

So much ash, and he's just like, oh. And then he gives the gives the other uh other trailer line. I can't get this park back online without an edge. Love it.

Joe 1:15:49

Find me Dennis Snedri. Yeah. Uh uh.

Tom 1:15:56

They hate him so much. It's great.

Jen 1:15:58

It's like his whole station is just garbage and food on the ground.

Joe 1:16:02

So I think I right, one of the notes I have here is there there should be more fat jokes, uh, like in the book, because in the book they're just constantly there's not fat jokes, but they're constantly pointing out that he's fat. Um and kind of making comments.

Jen 1:16:16

Yes.

Joe 1:16:17

But I I like the more subtle approach where his messy workstation with all the candy bar rappers and him going to get snacks and check the vending machines. Like it's it's much more subtle in the movie. And I guess for being a family-friendly movie, you don't want to be outright.

Jen 1:16:31

Fall him a slob. You don't have to call him a fat slob.

Joe 1:16:33

Yeah.

Tom 1:16:34

We know he's fat.

Joe 1:16:35

Yeah.

Jen 1:16:36

It's visual, it's a visual medium. You don't need to have it explained to us.

Joe 1:16:40

So just speaking of the Samuel L. Jackson role, right? They actually had filmed a sequence of him with the rat, like when he goes into the maintenance uh area and and you know, he winds up dying. I think they had filmed or they were going to film. Hold on a second. Uh oh, it was originally scripted to have filmed a death scene. However, the hurricane destroyed the set before the scene could be shot, resulting in the character just simply disappearing and the arm being.

Jen 1:17:05

I feel bad, but I I it's so cool when the It's a much better surprise, yeah. Yeah.

Joe 1:17:10

Yeah. Well, I think you know he's dead, but yes, they throw throw in another wall.

Tom 1:17:14

They give you all the hope that he's not one second of like oh, Mr.

Joe 1:17:18

Arnold. Like he would just kind of throw his arm over her.

Tom 1:17:23

And it's not like, oh, it's a black guy's head. It's gotta be Mr. Arnold. Yeah. He's the only one here.

Jen 1:17:28

Well, there's a black arm here.

Tom 1:17:30

Well, if they could have went to before. No, I mean her. She sees she doesn't see her. She sees a black guy.

Joe 1:17:35

She's looking for him. Well, he's the only other person. Like, she's I know I know, I know. If this if this were a Joe Dante filming that uh doing this movie, you would have seen the raptor, the arm in the raptor's mouth, and the raptor, like kind of using it to pat her and trick her. Alright, so I I did just jump and talk about one of my favorite characters. So I think maybe we should ask Teddy what his favorite character is in the movie.

Teddy 1:18:03

Dinosaur or human? Oh well, we go both.

Tom 1:18:06

Why don't you say he was your favorite human first?

Teddy 1:18:08

Ian Malcolm. It's obvious.

Tom 1:18:11

Why why is he your favorite?

Teddy 1:18:12

One, he's hilarious, and two, now he does apartment commercials.

Tom 1:18:17

That's true, he does. Alright. And what what dinosaur from the first Jurassic Park film is your favorite dinosaur?

Teddy 1:18:23

I mean, like, it's the Velociraptor.

Joe 1:18:26

It's gotta be the Velociraptor. And Ian Malcolm.

Tom 1:18:29

I mean, I think a lot of people's favorite character is Ian Malcolm, so those of us who who might be watching us on YouTube, you can you can see uh Ian Malcolm's sweet, sweet ass. So close. Nipple.

Jen 1:18:44

Oh, that's not his nipple, that's a cut. I thought that was his nipple.

Joe 1:18:47

That's a cut.

Jen 1:18:48

That's a wound.

Tom 1:18:49

Yeah, we have uh reclining Jeff Goldblum behind us um on the screen.

Joe 1:18:55

I made note of Gennaro's shorts. Um suit shorts? It's just so weird. I I don't know what that wardrobe choice was. I guess it was supposed to be like ridiculous. Yeah, but he's wearing a jack, a suit jacket with the short. I've never seen I've seen people wear like a dress shirt with shorts, but he's wearing a suit jacket and a tie with the shorts.

Tom 1:19:17

Yeah.

Jen 1:19:18

Can I can I tell you my favorite new line, which I feel like I've heard before, but I must have forgotten about it. When they're on the ride in the beginning and they're passing by the scientists, and he he tries to ask, but he says, are these autoerotic?

Joe 1:19:36

Yes, yes. I have a voted too.

Jen 1:19:39

I love that so much. It's so it's just like you just pass right by it, but it's so funny. He's good. He's autoerotic.

Joe 1:19:46

Oh, that's Martin Ferrero as Martin Ferrero as Gennaro as the slime ball sleaze bag lawyer.

Jen 1:19:54

There's nothing wrong. He's not a sleaze bag.

Tom 1:19:56

He left us.

Jen 1:19:57

Well, he did leave, though. He did leave us. Panicked. But getting eaten off a toilet is maybe one of the most iconic movie deaths.

Joe 1:20:04

Yeah.

Jen 1:20:05

Getting whipped back and forth by a teacher.

Joe 1:20:07

Well, yeah, then you get it it leads you for that scene later on where it's like, I think this is I think this is Gennaro. She's like, I think this is the other half of it. He's like, Oh, I think this is part of Gennaro. Yeah, this is the other part. It reminds me, there's that there's a scene in uh Die Hard with a Vengeance where they're climbing onto the ship and uh they're climbing on the wire, like the tension wire, to get down on the ship, and the tension wire snaps, and it swings down and hits uh one of the guys on the boat. And they're the the next scene is is Samuel L. Jackson and Bruce Willis, and he's like, Bruce Willis is getting his arms, and he tells Samuel Jackson to get his legs, and then they both turn the same way and pull are both pulling him next to each next to each other because the guy got sliced in half.

Tom 1:20:53

Uh, that's one of the better parts of that movie.

Joe 1:20:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is definitely one of those great, clever parts that they put in there. Um all right. Jennero, yeah, Jennero, uh shorts. Sorry, I had to put that in there. And then the next note I have is John Williams uh provides two iconic music themes for the film. Yes. Which get them back to back. Yeah, the music in this movie is spectacular. Obviously, those two those two themes that we get in there. Uh, do you have a favorite of the two themes, or is there another theme perhaps in this movie that you really like?

Jen 1:21:24

They they just they both evoke a completely different emotion.

Joe 1:21:28

Yes.

Jen 1:21:28

Like I could say I listen I think about each one, and I'm like, no, that one's better. No, that one's better.

Joe 1:21:33

Um I'm partial to the the the Yeah, that's my favorite.

Jen 1:21:39

Well, that's when you see the dinosaurs for the first time. Yeah, that's the while while the dinosaur roars at the end, the sign falls down. Oh my god.

Joe 1:21:49

That's the thing.

Jen 1:21:50

So they're both yeah.

Joe 1:21:51

The first time that's played is when the helicopter is coming down to land on the island. Um is the uh yeah, but then shortly after when they see the dinosaurs is when I think the the slower majestic one is the main theme.

Tom 1:22:09

Yeah, I think so. I think it's the main theme of the film. And then but yeah, the um that's the the adventure theme. Yeah.

Jen 1:22:17

But there's no music during the T-Rex attack, right? I don't think.

Tom 1:22:22

I don't think so. No. No, it's just just yeah, just screams.

Joe 1:22:26

Screams and rains. I'm trying to remember if there's like an ambience. I don't think so. An ambience sound behind it. But so uh just getting back to Jenner, because there's the line right where he he says if I'm not if the experts aren't convinced, then I'm not not the experts, sorry, if the investors are not convinced, then I'm not convinced. But shouldn't he have shouldn't it have been the other way around when he says that to Hammond? Like the investors aren't convinced unless I'm convinced. Like that's why he's gonna be.

Tom 1:22:52

Yes, that's that that's what it should be, yes.

Joe 1:22:54

Yeah, he says it backwards.

Tom 1:22:56

Yeah.

Joe 1:22:56

Um, and of course, you love how another foreshadowing Hammond says, you know, he'll expect an apology in 48 hours.

Tom 1:23:03

Yes.

Joe 1:23:04

That's not coming. We get the second theme, we get the first shot of the dinosaurs, right? They're riding in the in the um in the truck. We get those iconic shots of Dr. Grant getting up, the camera following, yes, the camera following him up, then it goes to Ellie. Like he's he's grabbing Ellie, and then she does her climb up out of it, and the camera pans up, and uh, we get the uh the brachiosauruses.

Tom 1:23:27

Yeah, the the his the whole Dr. Grant idea, Dr. Sattler.

Jen 1:23:30

Yeah. Well, the Jurassic Park. Oh my god. He was like, What am I gonna say? He ran that deliver it.

Tom 1:23:40

When he was in the trailer, he knew what he was gonna say. There was um there's like an old uh Ellen Degeneris stand-up bit where she's talking about she's like miming being at a movie and like something awesome happens in the movie and you just start shoving popcorn into your mouth, and that's become like shorthanded in my in my head for like an awesome moment in a movie, and that's it. Like at that point, I'm I'm a hundred percent in on this film. Like, I don't care what happens next. Uh that's executed so well.

Joe 1:24:16

Yeah. Oh yeah, that that that's like one of those again, like iconic kind of shots of the little just just of the two of them like standing up out of the Jeep before you see the dinosaurs. There's like a lot of like money shots in this movie. Like these this is for the trailer.

Tom 1:24:31

Right. Yeah, yeah.

Joe 1:24:33

To Jurassic Park. Uh they get to the visitor center and they're going on the tour. We get we talked about Mr. DNA. Uh, Mr. DNA is very reminiscent of like an old like like schoolhouse rock type or cartoon that we watched when we were kids.

Tom 1:24:49

Yeah, he sounds a little bit like I'm just a Bill. Yeah.

Joe 1:24:54

I love how when he's when you're going through that, they would cut, then obviously they interspersed it with like the real life scenes of the scientists and things like that. And he's talking about like this very technical and complex method of getting the DNA out, and it's just a guy drilling a hole into into and then sticking a needle through it, like a syringe through it. I'm like, that's not really complex, that's pretty straightforward. It's like I could do that here in my garage.

Jen 1:25:20

Well, you'd have to find the mosquitoes first.

Joe 1:25:22

No, no, but he says of extracting it. He says, like, it's it's a very like complex technical, you know, method of extracting it. Literally, while they're just drilling a hole into it, and then it just takes a syringe and sticks a syringe in there. Um, I like I like also how they talk about how they're using virtual uh not sorry, 3D. No, it's virtual reality.

Jen 1:25:43

Virtual reality gloves?

Joe 1:25:44

Yeah, you see the guy with the virtual gloves, and I'm like, I'm not really sure what that guy's doing. I don't think he's really doing it.

Jen 1:25:50

He's turning a DNA strand back and forth.

Joe 1:25:53

Yeah, I don't know.

Tom 1:25:55

I'll put the frog DNA right about here.

Jen 1:26:00

Fill in the code.

Joe 1:26:02

He's like mashing it together like it's play-doh uh in virtual reality.

Jen 1:26:08

You know what I also never thought of, which they explained in the book, that they put the embryos into plastic eggs, which they which they also put money into this company to create these plastic eggs for them. Like, where do the eggs where do the eggs come from in this the movie? They say bird eggs.

Joe 1:26:27

I think they say ostrogences. They say that in the movie? I think so. Does he say I don't know wait that's the first one? No, actually they don't I don't think they explain it. They don't actually. I I remember now watching it, they don't explain it at all in the movie about like where the eggs come from.

Jen 1:26:42

I never thought about it before, but I was like, you don't like where do the eggs come from?

Joe 1:26:46

Well, yeah, that's so funny. In the book, like right there's a guy from the uh was it from not from the EPA, from the federal trade. I can't remember. There's a there's a government official, right, questioning. He goes to visit Grant and starts questioning about yes, yes, yes, yes. And he brings up, like he's like, you know, four years ago, John Hammond bought this plastics company that makes whatever egg. Like they're getting all this like weird background stuff.

Jen 1:27:10

But that makes sense. You need an egg.

Joe 1:27:12

Yeah.

Jen 1:27:12

Like, how do you get a real egg?

Joe 1:27:14

They don't explain it in the movie whatsoever.

Jen 1:27:16

Yeah, you have to see the thing hatching. Like that's right. Important to see. I never thought of it until I read the book and I was like, oh yeah, like they're not nobody's laying these eggs. Where did they come from?

Joe 1:27:25

Yeah, we get a lot of things.

Tom 1:27:27

But when he's got the thing hatching, right? Yeah, and he's holding the little raptor tiny raptor, and you can see, and this this is like where I'm like, oh, Sam Neal's a good actor. I remember distinctly thinking that the first time I saw the movie, like it's so clear he really just wants to snap this thing's neck right now. And he's trying really Yeah. Like he's really thinking about like it'd probably be better for everyone if I just kill it now.

Jen 1:27:51

Like, why did they breed raptors?

Tom 1:27:54

Because the rides that most people want to go on at the theme park. Or roller coasters, right? Scary things or whatsoever.

Joe 1:28:03

Also, right, in the they don't know what they're creating. Like when they first do it, they're not they don't know what dinosaur they're creating, right? It's right.

Jen 1:28:10

They're just so get rid of that one.

Joe 1:28:13

And there's much there's what six raptors in the book in the movie. There's only or is there three in the movie?

Tom 1:28:19

There's uh four in the movie. No, no, I think there's only three.

Joe 1:28:22

She kills all but three. He's Muldoon mentions when Yeah, yeah.

Tom 1:28:25

I thought she killed I thought she left three. Maybe she only leaves two.

Joe 1:28:29

Oh no, maybe she kills all but three.

Tom 1:28:30

I think she's four in the movie?

Joe 1:28:32

In the movie. Is it four? She kills all but three, right?

Tom 1:28:35

Yeah, there's there because there's at the end. Yes.

Jen 1:28:38

There's one that's there's two at the end, there's one in the freezer. There's one in the freezer, there's one in the control in the bunker in the she says unless they learn how to open doors, and then you literally the next shot is the raptor opening a door.

Tom 1:28:52

There's the one in the freezer, and that's the end.

Jen 1:28:54

Oh, but then there's two in the kitchen.

Tom 1:28:57

Yeah.

Jen 1:28:58

And then one in the maintenance shed, and then one in the freezer. Yeah, there's four.

Joe 1:29:02

There's four.

Jen 1:29:03

Maybe he doesn't get out of the maintenance shed. Maybe that's just a throwaway line to I just assumed he got out because she's like, he can't get out unless he learns how to open doors.

Joe 1:29:10

And then that comes out. And then they know how to open doors. Um so we meet here, we meet B. D. Wong, Dr. Henry Wu, who again is a much bigger character in the book. Uh poor B. D. Wong only gets uh a little scene here, though I know he comes back in.

Tom 1:29:26

He's in all three of the Jurassic uh world films. Okay. And he has uh he has a very significant role in those films.

Joe 1:29:33

I believe he gets He gets eaten by Raptor in the uh in the in the movie. He gutted.

Tom 1:29:37

He gets gutted. He gets gutted. He opens up the door to the room. He opens up the door to the roof and the raptor's on top of the door.

Jen 1:29:45

Jumps down on him.

Tom 1:29:46

Yeah. Just guts him. He was on the old big claw.

Joe 1:29:49

He is a lot more uh a lot a lot bigger character in the books. Most of these side characters have much bigger roles in the book. But he makes the most of this part. He's great in this little part that he has. I I would have liked to got a little bit more into his character, but he does his job and he does it well.

Tom 1:30:04

How do you know? Do you check underneath the uh dinosaur skirts?

Joe 1:30:09

Which I think is a line from the book, right?

Tom 1:30:12

Like the the the that scene, we don't know when we get like too much to the weeds of this stuff here, but like um the power dynamic and acting in that scene about who knows more than who and who's more confident in their knowledge than the other one. Between it's it's very quick. It's so well done.

Joe 1:30:29

Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. The di I mean the dialogue's great in it. The the acting and the like you said, a lot of this is ensemble, right? It's it's so and they're all working really well together. I think the chemistry between all the actors is great. Um yeah, I feel like we also start getting some of the malchamisms from the book, like earlier in the movie, right? Doesn't it like is this where he says um life life finds a way, right? Yeah, this is the life finds a way speech, which is earlier in the movie than it comes much later in the book, I feel.

Tom 1:31:00

Yeah.

Joe 1:31:01

But yeah, you get the that they're all the all the dinosaurs are female. Um then we they they do it later on, right? When they talk about the frog DNA or the amphibian DNA.

Tom 1:31:12

No, they put it right in the Mr. DNA tells you.

Jen 1:31:14

Yeah. It's filled in with frog DNA.

Joe 1:31:17

Yes, yes, and then you then later on we get the you know the West African frogs that came from.

Tom 1:31:22

Grant also knows a lot about frogs. Yeah.

Joe 1:31:24

Yeah.

Tom 1:31:25

Like any paleontologist would. Uh uh smells the egg. Amphibians. As we all know, some amphibians have been known to change, yeah. Spontaneously change gender.

Jen 1:31:39

And he's explaining it to the kids.

Joe 1:31:40

Like, well, it's weird because they keep it he mentions it in the beginning, like when they first get to Jurassic Park, it they never find he doesn't reveal why until like way at the end of the book. It's like one of it's very, very end of the book where he reveals that part because it kind of keeps coming up. And like Dr. Wu eventually goes and checks because he's like, So some of these funny things are he's like, uh, maybe I don't really remember.

Tom 1:32:04

Uh like when well in the in the book too, it's not just frog DNA. They use a lot of they use like four different animals DNA.

Joe 1:32:11

No, I know, but the fact that he doesn't he doesn't remember if they use frog DNA and uh or amphibian DNA in this is kind of like what do you do they're supposed to be in charge of all the genetical the genetic and biomedical technology parts. You can't remember.

Tom 1:32:26

I got it, Joe. Don't worry, I got it, I got it. I got it. I don't have to remember stuff.

Joe 1:32:30

I feel like we sorry, I was just gonna say we were that scene where the raptor's birth, right? Hammond's like, oh, I'm here for all of them being born. I feel like we get that's kind of getting into the book Hammond, I feel a little bit where he's like, he feels like I want to be here for all them, for all them being born because I'm their dad, and you know. Right. And he said he mentions that they also because of that, they also kind of grow in a little bit of an affinity for him.

Tom 1:32:57

Right. He's also it's very it's very selfish in a way, too. Like he's like, I want them to imprint on me, so like they'll never hurt me. Yes, basically.

Jen 1:33:05

I mean, we don't that doesn't pay off either. That's well, probably not true.

Joe 1:33:09

No, I don't think so, but he thinks it. He thinks it's true.

Tom 1:33:13

Right. Well, what he doesn't account for is that they're breeding in the wild. So even if that is true, their kids aren't yes, you know.

Joe 1:33:19

They're not passing it down to their children. Okay, this is where we get Maldoon, right? We're introduced to Muldoon. Bob Peck is uh awesome in this. Yes, he is. It's unfortunate he dies in this.

Jen 1:33:30

Yeah.

Joe 1:33:31

I guess he g he goes out in a way that he would want to go out. I don't know.

Jen 1:33:36

He shows respect to the raptor.

Tom 1:33:38

Yes, he feels like he's earned his like the raptor deserves to kill him.

Jen 1:33:42

Yeah.

Joe 1:33:45

I also think it's funny that he's going out with a rifle to hunt a raptor when in the book he's like, Well, I need rockets. That's like he's like, we're gonna take out the raptors have rockets.

Jen 1:33:56

Well, why can't you just shoot like they can I can see how you need like a rocket for a T-Rex, but why do you you can't shoot a raptor and just kill it?

Joe 1:34:07

He said they make mention in the books that they're very difficult to kill. Yeah. Um, because of like the decentralization of like their skin's very tough, their bones are hard, their tendons and muscles are very strong. So even shooting them, it's like you'd have to like unload on like a whole, I guess, machine gun clip into them, maybe to kill it. Right. And there's like a they have a decentralized he mentioned something about something be decentralized, decentralized nervous system, so like it's like yeah, so it like if you shoot a person in the head, you may not kill a person, but they will fall down.

Tom 1:34:42

Yeah. Right? Because so much of their but like you could give them a headshot, and if it doesn't kill them, it doesn't kill them.

Joe 1:34:48

Yeah. And their brains are small dinosaurs, so you'd probably be hard to even hit their brain. But yeah, they're they're difficult to kill, but I don't think they ever actually do they shoot any dinosaurs in this movie? No, right?

Tom 1:35:00

Um they shoot them in the beginning.

Jen 1:35:03

Shoot her well, I don't know if they actually kind of shot Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe 1:35:07

With uh their prod using the electric Yeah.

Tom 1:35:11

Well he's telling he's telling them to kill this dinosaur.

Joe 1:35:14

Yeah.

Jen 1:35:15

Yeah, I don't think not even a tranquilizer. They tranquilize the Segosaurus, but off-screen.

Dinosaur 1:35:21

Right.

Joe 1:35:22

Yes, and they try they try they trank the uh the T-Rex too in the book.

Jen 1:35:27

Yeah, I'm saying in the in the movie they don't yeah. They don't tranquilize.

Joe 1:35:31

The triceratops.

Jen 1:35:32

Yeah, there's no there's no what did I say, Stegosaurus? Sorry, oh my god, I'm so embarrassed. I meant Triceratops.

Joe 1:35:39

They they do shrink a it's a stegosaurus in the book, I think. That scene, right? Is it a stegosaurus? I don't think so. I think it's a triceratops. There's a scene with the stegosaurus.

Tom 1:35:47

There's a stegosaurus in the book, too, but yeah. The the um there's no concept of these people, none of these people are are I've likely ever fired a gun before. Like none of these people are gonna be shooting dinosaurs, except for Mel Doon.

Jen 1:36:00

I found a mistake in the movie. I've just remembered it. When he's taking the embryos out of the refrigerator or whatever, it's out of the cryogenic freezer, it says stegosaurus, but it's spelled wrong. Is it really? It's spelled S-T-E-G-A-S-A instead of S E S T E G O. I noticed it today.

Joe 1:36:17

I was like, yes. The person screwing it up. That's not one of those things that uh Teddy's.

Jen 1:36:24

Let's see, is it like a double spelling? No, it's spelling it's it's oh.

Joe 1:36:28

Props apart.

Jen 1:36:29

Why Teddy found mistakes in the movie?

Joe 1:36:31

Yes.

Jen 1:36:32

Stegosaurs Stegosaurs.

Joe 1:36:35

That wasn't that wasn't one of them. Um let's just let's go to Teddy, right? All right, we got a we got a few fun facts. This is this is the longest clip. I think it's about three minutes, so we're gonna listen to a few fun facts from Teddy about this movie.

Teddy 1:36:51

Because I'm revealing something that might not a lot of people don't know about.

Tom 1:36:56

Really? What's that?

Teddy 1:36:58

In the kitchen scene, when the velociraptor first opens the door, there's a certain shot, and you can see a person steadying, like the hand comes out like non-visibly, like it's really hard to see on screen, and it starts like moving the velociraptor's tail. Really? So it's really hard to catch, but I just wanted to share it with you because of that.

Tom 1:37:25

So if you go back and you look at that that scene really slowly, you can see a person's hand in the scene.

Teddy 1:37:31

Yeah, you can like see a person's hand, like when it's first opening the door, like like steadying it by moving the tail a little bit.

Tom 1:37:38

Okay, I didn't know. Do you have like a bunch of cool facts like that about the movie?

Teddy 1:37:42

If you're counting like two more, give me give me give me what you got.

Tom 1:37:45

Give me what you got.

Teddy 1:37:46

So another one, like I think his name is Dennis.

Tom 1:37:50

Dennis Nedry.

Teddy 1:37:50

Yeah. When he is calling the guy in the scene where it floods, uh-huh, that's not a call. You can see on the bottom of the computer it moving along, and it was actually just a video. Really? It looked like he was it was like a little mouse, and like it was actually moving at the bottom of the computer without a line.

Tom 1:38:14

You can see the video playing, even though it's supposed to be like a phone call that he's having with the guy.

Teddy 1:38:18

Yeah, even even though the guy somehow understands what he's saying, even though it's not at that very moment, somehow.

Joe 1:38:27

Okay. I'm gonna pause it right there. He's talking about he's talking about like the progress bar on the video, is what we you can see. Right, right.

Tom 1:38:33

Okay, he like knows that this is this is Fugazi, but he didn't get like, well, they filmed him. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they're playing the video for him to talk to. Yeah, like he he knows Fugazi, but not why. Yeah, which I think is funny.

Joe 1:38:48

Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, he's acting. That's yeah, he's acting, that's what it is. Yeah, okay. There's there's another one too.

Teddy 1:38:55

So that's very weird, but it's also very nice to share, I guess.

Tom 1:39:02

Okay.

Teddy 1:39:02

I guess that's a way to put it.

Tom 1:39:03

And what's your what's your last fun fact for the film?

Teddy 1:39:07

Now, this one is the hardest of all to spot. Um and by the way, all these I got from a video on YouTube. So I didn't I didn't find these myself. So I needed help from some random YouTuber. I forgot his name.

Tom 1:39:21

Okay.

Teddy 1:39:21

So uh, Lex when she's what in the scene where they're walking through the like the place with a lot of grass to the triceratops.

Tom 1:39:30

Uh-huh.

Teddy 1:39:31

For sure. This is the hardest thing to spot, possibly almost ever realized in movie history. In like a millisecond, her shirt changes from like one direction of stripe. They like just move a tiny bit to like the left or to the right, I think, instead of and like the diagonal lines. They were normally diagonal and a bit left, and they just came like one, like one quarter of an inch more left. Like even just like the opposite way, like a cross, like he had like it was a cross diagonal shirt. And I can clearly remember the YouTubers saying they must have changed filming times and accidentally put the shirt on wrong. Oh wow, put it on in a different way. Okay, and that's pretty crazy.

Tom 1:40:32

That is pretty crazy. All right, that's very interesting, Tom. There's a little continuity error there for you.

Joe 1:40:38

That's that's fun facts brought to you by Teddy.

Tom 1:40:40

Yeah.

Joe 1:40:41

I um I love how he how he said I I saw this on a YouTube video, so I'm I don't want to take credit for it.

Tom 1:40:47

Yeah, I I have to tell you, like, whatever. Like proud dad moment. I like I had no idea what he wanted to talk about or what he was gonna say. I love these these these thoughts that he that he had. So that's all. Uh I appreciate you guys uh playing them.

Joe 1:41:01

Uh all right. Man, we're still not even that far into the movie yet. Um boy. We really like this one, I think. Yeah, we're doing stopping to talk about a lot of cool things. Um all right, we get uh okay, so they they're on the tour out in the park. We're finally getting out of the park.

Jen 1:41:18

What?

Joe 1:41:19

This is we're finally getting out into the park. Oh my god.

Tom 1:41:22

The good news is the good news is as we as we move along, we're gonna go, oh, we talked about that. We talked about that already.

Joe 1:41:29

We probably did. Um there's a lot of iconic things going on, right? We've got the the the T-Rex attack, right? I mean, yes, we we kind of didn't really talk about that at all, right? There's the the so the cup of water. I just want to talk about the cup of water for a second. So going back and watching this, I'm like, who would have like a cup, like a glass, a plastic glass cup or whatever you want to call them, those stupid cups that I hate because of the way they're designed, just open cup in a jeep ride through like a rough terrain. That's the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

Tom 1:42:00

They're on a track. They're that's true, it is a track.

Jen 1:42:02

But that's even for the chaos theory kind of.

Joe 1:42:06

They got two uses out of that cup, though. They had to put that cup there because one, they did the chaos theory thing, which I think he does it with Arnold in the movie. And it's much later in the book. Sorry, in the book, he does that with Arnold, I think, way later.

Tom 1:42:18

Oh, it's much better this way. Yeah. Charlie, I can't believe you're not familiar with strange trash.

Joe 1:42:25

Yes. But yeah, so they get double use out of that cup. But just watching it, I was like, that would never happen. No one would do that. No one would put those cups in the Jeep like that, that a moving Jeep. And then, yes, we get we get the infamous um, you know. Yes, the the guitar string underneath with the guy plucking it, and that's how they had to get that up that that effect on the uh it's funny, nobody could just like hit the flick it, hit the car, hit the side of the car or whatever. Like, I don't know why they had to be perfect. Apparently, like the guy was like underneath, right? Like they had him kind of underneath there, plucking the guitar string. Just so many iconic moments. You mentioned uh the what's it called? The the glass with the kids holding the glass.

Jen 1:43:08

I watched the movie today, and I I'm sorry. I just I watched this scene again. I'm just like, I'm like enthralled with it. Every time I watch it, I'm just like, it's just when the when the T-Rex roars, it's just like amazing. Well, the T so good.

Tom 1:43:23

When the T-Rex looks in the car and she shines the flashlight on it, and it's just an eyeball contracts when the light hits it. Yeah, oh my god, this thing is actually there and they're going to get killed. And it keeps just it doesn't stop. It just gets worse. When the when the car is flipped over and the mud's coming in, you're like, oh and then like from when the dinosaur comes out to when they get out of the tree and the car falls on top of them again, it's just like 15 minutes of non-stop terror.

Joe 1:43:55

Yeah. Oh yeah. I have a note here. Uh the T-Rex is one of the greatest achievements in cinema history. That's that's a note I have. Uh like I don't I don't know how long it took to film all that. I'm sure it was a lot of days filming, but yes. It's the movie.

Jen 1:44:12

There's no moment where you're like, this isn't really happening. Yes. And like it's 100% real the whole way through.

Joe 1:44:18

And that's that's a lot of because that a lot of that is the animatronic. Um, it's a real practical dinosaur. That's the uh the big rig that they had that kept getting wet that they had to dry off.

Tom 1:44:30

Yeah. Malcolm takes the like takes the flare out and doesn't understand why it worked for Grant. And oh my gosh.

Joe 1:44:38

Yeah, well, Grant was like, no, no, no, I threw mine so it would go that way.

Jen 1:44:43

You screwed this through the flare.

Joe 1:44:45

Too late. Yeah, there's this whole the whole movement thing where he writes, so in the book, he doesn't know that they can only see movement. And I think actually, um that's something I believe that is not true in real life. Uh oh yeah, I have it down here. The the film popularized the idea that the T-Rex's vision is based on movement. In reality, scientific consensus, uh, and Crichton actually retconned this in The Lost World, suggests yeah, it suggests that T-Rex has excellent binocular vision, uh, likely better than a hawk.

Jen 1:45:18

How do they know that? Come on.

Tom 1:45:19

They don't. They're they're they're they're they're judging based on animals that exist now that have similar like skull to eye ratios, basically. Whatever. Yeah, that's what they're doing. Like they're saying, like, well, you know what? If an animal now had this, their vision would be like that. So um, yeah, it's it's it's a very the last the Lost World book. We'll get into that one day. But yes, I remember that scene in the in the book very clearly.

Joe 1:45:44

Uh the flipping T-Rex flipping the car. Oh my god, we talked about Gennaro getting eaten already.

Jen 1:45:51

It's like if they just didn't if they just sat in the car, it probably would have just like walked away.

Joe 1:45:58

Yes. Well, they didn't know not to be a few.

Jen 1:46:00

I know, they didn't know, and they're kids, and they're gonna flashlight out. I mean, no, I know, but like it's so it's just like oh like if you didn't do that, then you would have been okay.

Tom 1:46:09

Right.

Jen 1:46:09

But they weren't.

Tom 1:46:11

Um you know, in some desperate attempt to not have this be a three-hour podcast, I guess. Uh I'm gonna combine this with the next T-Rex appearance. Yes. When they go back and the T-Rex comes and it's just awesome. You've got must go faster. Yeah. Oh yeah, with the yeah, with the driving on the yeah, you've got and I never I didn't get this when I first saw the movie, is they're driving away and then Malcolm like pushes away from the T-Rex as much as he can and hits the the gearship. Hits the gear shift, and they start slowing down, yeah, and like he can't speed up because Malcolm's sitting on the gearship and then you have the mirror, you've got the mirror object in the mirror movie closer than it's just like that's why Steven Spielberg's one of the best directors ever. I would put this in.

Joe 1:47:00

Yeah, we're gonna we gotta use this, we gotta show this, and and the and how Malcolm's facing the T-Rex, right? He's in the back facing backwards, so he's seeing the T-Rex coming at them.

Jen 1:47:10

So it's just the amount of time when they get in the car and it's like right there, and they pull away like just in time. It's perfect.

Joe 1:47:17

Well, there's a it and uh just for is this is the same scene, right? Where he oh yeah, he's in the car. This is like a ridiculous thing, too. I think it's funny as hell. He's in the car, he's in the Jeep already, and the and uh Muldoon and Sattler are out in the room. They're looking for Al, yeah. And he's like, he sees the water going, right? We see the water thing again, and and they as they come out, he's like, We gotta go, we gotta go. They're they're basically, they don't say this, but they're like, No shit. The T-Rex is right fucking behind them. It comes out right behind them, like you don't have to tell us we gotta go. The T-Rex is right behind us.

Tom 1:47:52

No, it's it's it's absolutely terrific. Oh my god. Uh, and and and and and and here's again talking about the the blend of uh practical and cgi. Like this T-Rex is almost all CGI, yeah. But you believe it because you just saw what it did, you know?

Joe 1:48:08

Yes, yeah, because you saw the real one. Yes, that it's great mixing those two together. We talked a little bit about Nedri's uh encounter with the, but we didn't really talk about the Dilophosaurus too much. Um, this is another one where they kind of threw a little bit of the horror part in there, right? Because you get like, oh, it's a sweet little dinosaur, and then and then all of a sudden like it goes cobra on him where it comes out with and I think that was a that was like a Spielberg invention or Spielberg ass because Dilophosaurus is I think real Dilophosaurus didn't have that. And I think real Dilophosaurus are also not they don't spit poison.

Jen 1:48:41

Yeah.

Joe 1:48:42

Um Crichton, I think, added to uh added to this just for the um I guess to write the scenes in, but um very cool and very when that thing goes and that fans out of it.

Jen 1:48:59

If he didn't deserve it before this moment, and then he goes, I'm gonna run you over when I come back down. Like, you know what?

Tom 1:49:05

Yeah, you're getting everything you deserve.

Jen 1:49:08

Yeah.

Joe 1:49:08

And they they they did make the Dilophosaurus smaller in the movie because I feel like in the book it's like six or seven feet tall. Oh, really? Yeah, I'm pretty sure they mention it.

Tom 1:49:17

It would have, yeah, it's big. It's bigger.

Joe 1:49:20

I think they were trying to get the compy effect a little bit of it, like, oh, it's a cute little dinosaur, and he doesn't think it's gonna bother him.

Tom 1:49:27

He's not scared by it at all.

Joe 1:49:29

It's just like he says something like you're one of the nice ones, or something like that.

Jen 1:49:34

Yeah, not as big as your bow. Something like that.

Joe 1:49:37

Speaking of that, uh we didn't get a we didn't get uh a juvenile T-Rex in this movie, though.

Jen 1:49:43

No. One's enough.

Tom 1:49:45

One's enough.

Joe 1:49:45

One T Rex is all I could deal with. Um let's see. Uh T Rex in the review. I have the T Rex in the rearview mirror with the one. Oh, uh another as this movie progressed. I took less and less notes because I was just kind of watching it and it was just mostly action sequences. Um but one thing I really liked was the when they go back to the visitor center. It's the scene with Sattler and uh Hammond having the conversation eating ice cream. It's it's right before like when they they pan in and you see all the Jurassic Park merchandise in the shop.

Tom 1:50:20

Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Joe 1:50:21

All the yeah, two things. One, yeah, let's get that out there for when uh the movie comes out so we could sell it. Uh but I also thought like this is another one of the I feel like another little Easter egg to the Hammond from the books where he's so like myopic that he's already got the he's already has the merchandise and the park's not even he's got like so many other big problems to deal with. Right. And he's like, uh let me get the merchandise.

Jen 1:50:49

The gift shop is set up.

Joe 1:50:50

Yeah. There's a few of those in here where like I'm like, oh, that's books, that's Book Hammond right there. Right. Um I like that, Joe.

Jen 1:50:59

Can we talk about when oh sorry, what were you gonna say? No, when when Sattler comes out of the after she turns everything back on and she sees Grant for the first time and she says, run. Is she telling herself to run or him to run?

Tom 1:51:15

She's telling herself to run.

Jen 1:51:16

It's like she's willing herself to run.

Tom 1:51:17

She's got a spring deck because she can't even put weight on it.

Jen 1:51:21

I never knew. I was always trying to figure out if she hurt herself or if she was walking like that, because she was like dragging the she was dragging something behind her, so I can never figure out.

Tom 1:51:34

I think she always kicks the the the thing, the gate closed. Yeah, okay. Yeah. But yeah, she's limping the rest of the movie. Okay.

Joe 1:51:41

Yeah. Yeah. It's an awkward limp, I'd say.

Jen 1:51:44

Yeah. Yeah, she's kind of like dragging her foot.

Joe 1:51:47

Yeah. But quickly running, trying to run while dragging her foot.

Jen 1:51:51

Yes.

Joe 1:51:51

Uh we got the the scene in the kitchen with the kids and the raptors is a fun scene. Yeah, it's another one of the iconic kind of highlight scenes.

Tom 1:52:03

They don't know mirrors yet.

Joe 1:52:04

Yeah, they don't. Yeah. All right. So we're we're right basically at the end here. Which I never was really happy with the end of the movie, even before I read the book. Because it just kind of ends. Right? Like I just feel yeah, it's it's very like abrupt the ending to this movie. Like, there's nothing really resolved at all at the end of the movie, except they get off the island. I mean, I guess. That's it.

Tom 1:52:30

They get out. Well, I mean, uh so But it's very quick.

Joe 1:52:33

It's very quick.

Tom 1:52:34

It's very quick. The resolution, if there is one, is super quick, and it's one of the least enunciated lines in the film. It's when they drive up with the Jeep, yeah, and they go, and and Greg goes, uh Mr. Hammond.

Joe 1:52:47

Decided not to do a park.

Tom 1:52:49

And Hammond goes, So have I. Yeah, so have I, yeah.

Jen 1:52:52

Which is the exact a total flip from the end of the Hammond character in the book. With his dying breath, still like thinking of what he could do in his next part.

Joe 1:53:02

He's just that whole part, he's just in the book when he when he falls down the hill and he's like trying to get back up it, he's just literally it's all him like blaming other people for this not working.

Jen 1:53:14

Medry was bad, Arnold was bad, woo was bad, I put it in the middle of the day.

Joe 1:53:17

His kids were useless, his grandkids. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, but it's like very, I don't know, it's a very quick ending. I don't know. It just feels very abrupt. And I I never like the T-Rex saving them.

Tom 1:53:30

Oh.

Jen 1:53:31

Come on. Oh, I love that. I've never liked that. He puts his head down like we're dead. Oh, I know that.

Joe 1:53:39

I know that. I mean, they could have written it differently, I guess is what I'm saying.

Tom 1:53:42

I think like it's it's interesting because the T-Rex is is, you know, we spent a lot of time on this pod specifically talking about how terrible and terrifying all those scenes at the ending are. And it's like the hero shows up at the end to save them from the real terror. Yeah. And like I imagine when Spielberg's thinking about he's gonna make the movie, he's gonna like the image that he had was the T-Rex with the banner. Oh yeah. And it's like, I'm that's I'm getting to that. That's the get.

Joe 1:54:14

And yeah, well, that's another one of the money shots. There's so many money shots in this movie. That's that's definitely one of them. And I I hate that shot too. I don't like that one.

Tom 1:54:23

Why?

Jen 1:54:24

What?

Joe 1:54:24

I think it's too it's too like poser for the camera. Yeah, it's too powerful. I know the banner's in the book.

Tom 1:54:33

Like so it's interesting because you're right. Like, the the movie doesn't offer a solution to this issue. It's almost not about that. And and and the movie basically tells you like dinosaurs exist now. That's the end. Like they they can't kill them. As they're flying, they see the birds, and like it's almost like they're still here. They're they're they're just they're part of nature now. Mankind made a terrific, horrible, horrible mistake, and now these creatures exist.

Jen 1:55:04

The resolution to the movie is Grant's ready to have kids now.

Tom 1:55:07

Yes. Siler and Grant are finally gonna bone.

Jen 1:55:12

Yeah, like yeah.

Tom 1:55:14

Uh okay.

Jen 1:55:15

That's the um that's the resolution.

Tom 1:55:17

All right. Um, so last I would say big change, uh, book to movie. Malcolm. Yeah. Malcolm's wounds are not fatal or even particularly close to it.

Joe 1:55:28

Well, the deaths are very different, right? We get we get Malcolm dies in the book, Hammond dies in the book.

Jen 1:55:34

Wu dies. Wu dies in the book.

Joe 1:55:35

Wu dies in the book, and um Muldoon and Gennaro live in the in the book. But Gennaro is not really the same character in the movie. Like that's Ed Regis is the one who dies in the in that way. And right.

Tom 1:55:48

He's the coward, he's the yeah, yeah, yeah. And radically different. He's a big buffed dude.

Joe 1:55:55

Yeah, and he helps he helps a lot. Like he's he's with Muldoon for a bit. He's with Sadler. He stays with Sadler and Harding. He's with them, right? He's part of that group. And and I feel like, you know, what they did was they kind of gave Sadler more stuff to do in the movie, like let's get rid of this character and just give because she kind of doesn't do as much in the book at all.

Tom 1:56:16

Yeah.

Joe 1:56:16

So they gave her more stuff to do, which I which I like.

Tom 1:56:19

Right choice. Right choice.

Joe 1:56:20

Yeah. Good choice. So they can cut out uh, you know, the two characters, I guess. But they still want to have that jerk-off character who's gonna go. They need somebody to get eaten by the dinosaur on the toilet.

Tom 1:56:29

So yeah, and they he's the he's so good at the film. Uh the uh blood sucker lawyer.

Jen 1:56:35

He's just like a he's what's the word? He's just scared. Like he's a perfectly reasonable response, yeah. Like a bad person. He's a jerk, though.

Joe 1:56:46

He's like, he's like, are those are those goggles heavy, kid? Then they're probably expensive. Put them back.

Jen 1:56:51

And like I can picture saying that to my own kid. Put those back, they're expensive. Stop.

Joe 1:56:58

This is grandfather's, it's the kid's grandfather's park. He's not anyway. All right. Uh so this movie came out on June 11th in 1993. Immediately was a success. Uh, it grossed $47 million in the first weekend and opening weekend, and went on to earn over $914 million worldwide. Uh, I believe it cost about $63 million to make only.

Tom 1:57:23

That's not bad.

Joe 1:57:24

In 1992, when it, you know, they made, I guess that's that's a lot of money though, back then.

Tom 1:57:29

Yeah.

Joe 1:57:29

I mean that's a good return on investment, I would say.

Tom 1:57:32

Good return on investment.

Jen 1:57:33

I guess that's why they made like nine more of them.

Joe 1:57:35

Yeah. Uh it surpassed Spielberg's own ET to become the highest-grossing film of all time. Uh record it held until Titanic came out in 1997. And of course, like just the impact that this obviously had on movie making uh was probably even bigger than the amount of money it made. You know, it it's kind of shifting or the changing of digital effects are no longer something that you know we're gonna use very sparingly and are very difficult to do. Now, this is kind of the future of movie making. Um everybody loved this movie, right? Critics, everyone gave it good ratings. Crichton liked the movie, he was very happy with it. Obviously, he was he was uh instrumental in crafting it, and he he knew he was like, Okay, we're making a different movie. This is not the book, and he was like, We have the book, this is gonna be the movie. I I have a feeling Crichton really didn't care so much that they changed stuff, just write my pay write my check and uh and he it worked in the screenplay, he changed stuff himself for the yeah, yeah, and obviously they changed this, right? If they made this like the book, it would have probably been all rated.

Jen 1:58:41

Um and an extra hour six hours long, yeah.

Joe 1:58:44

Yeah, and wouldn't have made four uh you know nine hundred million dollars. Uh Spielberg obviously looking to target the family audience, and Crichton was all in for that. So um we talked about a bunch of the changes in it, um some, I guess, other uh fun facts. Uh the sound of the shrieking velociraptors and barks are uh tor tortoises mating. That's the that's where the sound comes from.

Tom 1:59:16

I knew it sounded familiar. I mean interesting.

Joe 1:59:19

Yeah. Uh we talked about the missing death scene of Samuel L. Jackson's character. We talked about the actually, we talked about almost all these already, actually. Yes, the Dilophosaurus, the T-Rex eyes, the vision. That's yeah, we talked about all that already. There we go. Um I'd say the only other things that I have here is uh interesting, also effect of the movie. Uh in academic and scientific circles, the Jurassic Park effect refers to massive surge in public interest, museum attendance, and research funding for paleontology following the film's release. Um, you know, this led to uh a documented increase in university enrollments for Earth sciences throughout the 90s. So this this film didn't just have a huge impact on cinema, but it had an impact on science and paleontology as well. Yeah. Very cool. Um we talked a little bit about, right? The film historians historians say this is uh Jurassic Park is like the point of no return for the transition from analog to digital cinema. Um and obviously they actually talk too about how you know the success of the the CGI led to the immediate immediate cancellation of various practical effect projects across Hollywood. Obviously the film itself, but definitely a shift in the way films were made, replacing the um you know optical illusions for actual d digital photorealistic imagery. Um ratings?

Tom 2:00:57

Yeah, yeah, I think so.

Joe 2:00:58

Unless there's anything else you want to talk about that we missed.

Tom 2:01:01

I got everything on my list. Yes.

Joe 2:01:03

Alright, we're gonna go first to uh to Teddy's rating. Teddy, what do you rate this?

Teddy 2:01:10

59 million.

Tom 2:01:11

Alright, well, I'm gonna just convert that into with a number of scale that I gave you. You're gonna say a five-star film, perfect movie?

Teddy 2:01:17

It's okay if I do five and a quarter.

Tom 2:01:19

Alright, five and a quarter stars, folks. You hear it here first.

Joe 2:01:26

Five and a quarter stars from Teddy. Tom, how about you?

Tom 2:01:30

I'm gonna go I'm gonna go slightly below that to five stars. This is a perfect film.

Joe 2:01:35

Five stars, Jen?

Jen 2:01:37

Tom couldn't have said it better myself. Five stars, this is a perfect movie.

Joe 2:01:42

All right. I'm gonna give it, I'm gonna, I'm going a little bit lower. I'm giving it four and a half stars. That's not that much. Four and a half is still really good. Because of the hill? No, the hill didn't the hill didn't bother me. It was it was it wasn't even like um necessarily changes from the book. It the one thing that I really would have I I mentioned it before, you know. I love how in the book we start off already knowing dinosaurs got off the island. I would have liked to have gotten that in there. But like things like the the triceratops mystery sickness that never went anywhere, and then there was, I think we said there was another. Oh, I guess it was the Nedri thing, which we kind of chalked up to just him not doing his job. Right. Um, and the abrupt ending. I I don't like the T-Rex coming to save the day ending.

Jen 2:02:29

I thought that's what you're the only person on earth who's saying that.

Joe 2:02:32

I'm not a big fan of that. Um but it still gets a 4.5 in my book. Successful adaptation.

Tom 2:02:39

Interesting, yeah. It's it's not a faithful adaptation by but and we talked about that a lot over the course of the but I think it's it's wildly successful. Yeah. Um and I think it um yeah, that's what I was saying.

Jen 2:02:53

Yeah, I mean he he adapted it, so I feel like you can't go against the author unless it's like a bad movie. And I I mean there's some stuff from the book, some not, and it did what it had to do, which was make an amazing dinosaur movie.

Joe 2:03:09

Yeah, and I I feel like Michael Michael Crichton is like an author who has a very unique and uh perspective when it comes to like adapting his things into his stuff into movies, um, where he I feel like he knows, he understands that it's gonna be changed. And I I think he doesn't mind that as much, and as long as the product is good.

Jen 2:03:31

Yeah, I feel like if it was me, I'd be like, and I had the opportunity to change it myself and get my ideas in there and like rewrite my idea into a movie, I would like that better than another person coming in and so at least it's still like m coming from me and it's my ideas and I'm adapting it. So I I think I like that.

Joe 2:03:52

Yeah. So I I mentioned, you know, one thing that I would have liked them to put in the movie, you know, the already knowing Dinosaurs are off the island. Anything from the book that you would have liked to have seen in this movie, one thing.

Tom 2:04:04

Um I'm thinking of one thing.

Jen 2:04:06

I just want to think if I have another idea that's better.

Joe 2:04:09

While you're thinking, I'm gonna I'm gonna play Ted Teddy's gonna give us his thoughts on the message of this movie.

Jen 2:04:15

Okay.

Joe 2:04:16

Okay.

Teddy 2:04:16

Don't interfere with nature.

Joe 2:04:18

Okay.

Teddy 2:04:19

Nature is its own thing, and if you interfere with it, it's like Ian Malcolm said, like they have a life of their own, and they don't deserve to be treated this way. Nature has a life of its own. It doesn't deserve to be treated by other people. Other people deserve to be treated by it because nature is the force of life, nature is the reason we are all here, all alive at this moment.

Tom 2:04:43

Okay, that got surprisingly deep for me, and I appreciate that. I was just like, whoa!

Joe 2:04:51

He's starting to sound like Ian Malcolm in the book.

Tom 2:04:54

Yeah, but I I literally I did not know he was gonna go there at all. But I I I appreciate this. Is somebody who has not read the book, doesn't know what the book is at all, and he got that message from the movie, Joe. So I I think less corporate, but more uh but he does get the message about don't.

Joe 2:05:12

I don't know, I'm wondering if the other Jurassic Park movies though he's seen kind of kind of you know tainted that opinion.

Tom 2:05:19

I would say I I honestly would say this the as the movies progress, the corporations are evil, inherently evil, is more and more clear as the movies progress. Yeah, right.

Joe 2:05:32

Um so uh now you've had some time to think. Anything particular you would love to. I mean it's it's not life or death, if just like something in the book that you thought, like, oh, that would have been cool if they put it in the movie. Bazookas. Bazooka, yeah. Bazookas would have been cool.

Jen 2:05:46

I'm gonna go with uh the river and them falling over a waterfall.

Joe 2:05:52

Oh the raft. Oh, we didn't even talk about in the book with the T-Rex's tongue.

Jen 2:05:59

Yeah, go plays behind the water. Wrapping around his head, yeah.

Joe 2:06:04

Such a weird scene in the book. Very weird. Very weird. Yeah, yeah.

Tom 2:06:10

A lot of stuff that got that isn't in this book make it to Jurassic 3.

Joe 2:06:14

Really? Yes, I I I know they did pull, yeah.

Jen 2:06:17

Um I've I've never seen Jurassic Park 3.

Joe 2:06:21

I didn't I don't think I saw it either. Um it's it's one of the worst ones.

Jen 2:06:25

The only part I know is Alan. Alan.

Joe 2:06:27

Yeah. I what I know is that, you know, obviously we talked about Ian Malcolm dies in the book, but Ian Malcolm's in the second movie and in the second book, and he had to reton Ian Malcolm.

Jen 2:06:40

So I know we're ending and I forgot, but like, did they take Hammond and Malcolm's bodies off the island before they bomb it?

Joe 2:06:51

No, they they specifically mention that they didn't take their bodies.

Jen 2:06:54

No, they mentioned that they won't let them bury them.

Tom 2:06:57

Malcolm is alive. Malcolm's gone. Malcolm dies in a hospital. Like Malcolm's still alive when they leave the island. Because in the in the they ask, did he make it? And the doctor chases it in the book. Did he make what about Malcolm? Did he make it? And the doctor, the guy chicks and said no.

Jen 2:07:12

They never explained it. No, that's on the island. That's uh Harding says Harding says that when they're getting on the helicopters to get off the island.

Joe 2:07:20

Wait, does Harding get off the island? He gets off the island.

Jen 2:07:22

Yeah.

Joe 2:07:23

Yeah.

Tom 2:07:23

Oh, Harding says it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Jen 2:07:25

But then when they're in the when they're in San Jose, there's whatever part that is, they're like, oh, they didn't give us a chance to bury Hammond and Malcolm. And I was like, what why do they take their bodies just run? Like what?

Joe 2:07:38

But yeah, there's no indication that they took their bodies because they're not going to let us go back and get them.

Tom 2:07:45

Oh, why don't we get the other thing?

Joe 2:07:46

Well they fire above they fire them on the island though as they're leaving.

Jen 2:07:49

Yeah. So I don't think I don't think they would be any bothered. That confused me. Um but that because when because you don't really like Ian, if Ian survived the bombing, then he could still be alive. Because he kind of just like smiles and passes away, and you don't really know if he's dead. Harding says he's dead. But like he could see the coda of the book could he's a vet. He's not a doctor. He could like come back and then be in the next movie.

Tom 2:08:19

Are you are you sure that Harding says that he's dead?

Jen 2:08:22

I'm pretty sure.

Tom 2:08:24

I don't know if it's Harding or it could be it could be like Gennaro or somebody else. It's specifically said in the sequel that the doctors in Costa Rica were not good enough to realize that he was still alive.

Jen 2:08:37

Well, that's a retcon, though.

Tom 2:08:38

Yeah, but like it's explicitly said like he he gets off the island and is pronounced dead on the shore.

Jen 2:08:44

I'm pretty sure that it's because Grant asks about where he is. I'm I'm trying to I'm gonna see if I can.

Tom 2:08:51

Um I thought it was something that Grant asked about after the fact when they were I don't yeah, I don't I don't remember exactly what it's like.

Jen 2:09:00

Uh uh What about the others? Grant lead to Muldoon. Muldoon it was Muldoon. Is uh see the Muldoon? What about Malcolm?

Joe 2:09:08

Muldoon shook his head and they're on the It is okay, yeah, because he doesn't go because his leg is all mangled up, right? Or his ankle is all screwed up, so he doesn't go with them to the raptor's uh nest.

Jen 2:09:20

Muldoon?

Joe 2:09:21

Yeah, right. He doesn't put it up. Or he might drive there and sit in the car. I can't remember. But yes, he does. Okay. Somebody says Malcolm didn't make it. And then yes, Grant says when they're in San Jose, like they didn't let us bury them. He doesn't say take their bodies, he said they wouldn't let us bury them.

Jen 2:09:35

They did not even permit the burial of Hammond or Ian Malcolm.

Joe 2:09:39

Yeah.

Jen 2:09:39

The government was yeah.

Joe 2:09:40

But it's weird because they're firebombing the island, the government's firebombing the island as they're leaving. So I don't know what bodies would be left. So that is a weird thing to say.

Jen 2:09:48

Yeah. Anyway. All right. Sorry.

Joe 2:09:50

I had to let's let's wrap it up here. Uh, I think we have a record for shelf to screen podcast episode length. Uh I want to remind everyone to follow us on social media, join us over in Discord. We post our episodes on YouTube. Be sure to go there and like and subscribe. Rate and review us wherever you listen to podcasts, share us, tell tell a friend. Go and tell a friend, hey, listen to this podcast. Um, check out our Patreon page to support us that way, and links to all the aforementioned information are included in the show notes to this episode. Uh, Tom, any final thoughts?

Tom 2:10:23

Um life finds a way.

Joe 2:10:27

Jen.

Jen 2:10:28

You didn't take my quote. I have two because I like to do one that's in the book, but I keep go I keep waffling, so I'm gonna do the book one first, and then and then my favorite after that. So scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should. God creates dinosaurs, God destroys dinosaurs, God creates man, man destroys God, man creates dinosaurs, dinosaurs eat man, woman inherits the earth.

Teddy 2:11:02

Thanks for listening. You'll hear us next time.